grumbleweed4162

paulo
Now, if only I could actually buy an X3 upgrade in the UK...............

You go to the Cakewalk store and buy and download. Once you have done that you never think about what you just did. You'll have X3 to play with to help ignore the extra money you just shelled out.

Grum.

I want the boxed set. For reasons yet to be made clear, they are not available in the UK.

Peter Morrison
Does Noel wear Channel No 9? I prefer No 5. On a more serious note, if I ever had any problems with Sonar, My questions on this forum have always being answered. A lot of times, by Mr Garrigus

Thanks, Peter! Happy to help, when I can.
 
I think the new forum attitude is also due to the fact that X3 was a great release. Are there bugs? Yes, but now we're seeing fixes for them on a regular basis as well as promises of more fixes to come. That definitely instills more confidence in the users.
 
Scott

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Dingleberry

Anderton

Dingleberry
maybe there is a lot more to it than what you think Mr. Anderton.
 
edited

An air of mystery is brought into the discussion...

no mystery for me Mr Anderton.
since you replied I'll tell you these are my issue's other my say inconsequential, they are not me. I have a right to my opinion right or wrong.
1. i feel the zealots of Sonar have beating the life out of the "nay sayers" so no one dare's speak up anymore, or it turn into a joke.

I actually see the opposite. A lot of people are documenting specific bugs and mentioning limitations they'd like to see addressed in future updates. The difference is that they're doing it in a spirit of partnership with the software designers at Cakewalk, who are quite clearly paying close attention as many of the issues mentioned right after release have already been fixed.
 
There's a difference between constructive and destructive criticism. I think the nature of the criticism these days is much more constructive, i.e., it's documented and corroborated. This makes it much easier for the Bakers to address those criticisms. Addressing those criticisms puts users in a better frame of mind, so their criticism gets more constructive, which makes it even easier to give the customers what they want...it becomes a positive feedback loop.
 
As to what happened in the past, that's in the past. I think what you're seeing now is the direction Cakewalk will continue to pursue in the future - with some additional improvements that we think will be well-received. And yes, X1 was problematic, but it's what got us to where we are now, and people seem increasingly pleased with what's happening with X3. A band's first rehearsal is not as good as what they sound like after playing a bunch of gigs.
 
No product is perfect, no company is perfect, and I daresay no user here is perfect either. But if we partner well, then we will all get closer to perfection.
 
 

This is the only forum I regularly visit, and it is for exactly the reasons Anderton pointed out.  This place is a little haven within the internet where help is actually available and there seems to be a lot less of the BS you quickly find in other similar spots.  Yay us.

Anderton

Dingleberry

Anderton

Dingleberry
maybe there is a lot more to it than what you think Mr. Anderton.
 
edited

An air of mystery is brought into the discussion...

no mystery for me Mr Anderton.
since you replied I'll tell you these are my issue's other my say inconsequential, they are not me. I have a right to my opinion right or wrong.
1. i feel the zealots of Sonar have beating the life out of the "nay sayers" so no one dare's speak up anymore, or it turn into a joke.

I actually see the opposite. A lot of people are documenting specific bugs and mentioning limitations they'd like to see addressed in future updates. The difference is that they're doing it in a spirit of partnership with the software designers at Cakewalk, who are quite clearly paying close attention as many of the issues mentioned right after release have already been fixed.
 
There's a difference between constructive and destructive criticism. I think the nature of the criticism these days is much more constructive, i.e., it's documented and corroborated. This makes it much easier for the Bakers to address those criticisms. Addressing those criticisms puts users in a better frame of mind, so their criticism gets more constructive, which makes it even easier to give the customers what they want...it becomes a positive feedback loop.
 
As to what happened in the past, that's in the past. I think what you're seeing now is the direction Cakewalk will continue to pursue in the future - with some additional improvements that we think will be well-received. And yes, X1 was problematic, but it's what got us to where we are now, and people seem increasingly pleased with what's happening with X3. A band's first rehearsal is not as good as what they sound like after playing a bunch of gigs.
 
No product is perfect, no company is perfect, and I daresay no user here is perfect either. But if we partner well, then we will all get closer to perfection.
 
 

thats a great post Mr Anderton, and I wholeheartedly agree with many points. admittedly and shamefully I have not been the perfect forumite. I doubt that any would claim that title, well except Bapu. :)
And as a long time a customer thank you for your direct response to me. I felt compelled to post and I regret is because it served no purpose, yet again. my pain threshold is low at the moment. however I am still drawn here because of the GREAT forum members that share their knowledge freely. and still have a place in my heart for Sonar (kinda like a scorned lover) (silly I know).
Thank you for allowing me to "vent" without destroying me.
thanks,
Michael
 
 
 

As always a great insight MR Anderton
This is the reason I keep updating this product because its like a big family that actually care about the product working and caring about the products users.
Its a tight ship and am really enjoying all the new function and adaptability in the program.
Sonar and her crew ROCK!
Bakers we salute you!!!

Dingleberry

Anderton

Dingleberry

Anderton

Dingleberry
maybe there is a lot more to it than what you think Mr. Anderton.
 
edited

An air of mystery is brought into the discussion...

no mystery for me Mr Anderton.
since you replied I'll tell you these are my issue's other my say inconsequential, they are not me. I have a right to my opinion right or wrong.
1. i feel the zealots of Sonar have beating the life out of the "nay sayers" so no one dare's speak up anymore, or it turn into a joke.

I actually see the opposite. A lot of people are documenting specific bugs and mentioning limitations they'd like to see addressed in future updates. The difference is that they're doing it in a spirit of partnership with the software designers at Cakewalk, who are quite clearly paying close attention as many of the issues mentioned right after release have already been fixed.
 
There's a difference between constructive and destructive criticism. I think the nature of the criticism these days is much more constructive, i.e., it's documented and corroborated. This makes it much easier for the Bakers to address those criticisms. Addressing those criticisms puts users in a better frame of mind, so their criticism gets more constructive, which makes it even easier to give the customers what they want...it becomes a positive feedback loop.
 
As to what happened in the past, that's in the past. I think what you're seeing now is the direction Cakewalk will continue to pursue in the future - with some additional improvements that we think will be well-received. And yes, X1 was problematic, but it's what got us to where we are now, and people seem increasingly pleased with what's happening with X3. A band's first rehearsal is not as good as what they sound like after playing a bunch of gigs.
 
No product is perfect, no company is perfect, and I daresay no user here is perfect either. But if we partner well, then we will all get closer to perfection.
 
 

thats a great post Mr Anderton, and I wholeheartedly agree with many points. admittedly and shamefully I have not been the perfect forumite. I doubt that any would claim that title, well except Bapu. :)
And as a long time a customer thank you for your direct response to me. I felt compelled to post and I regret is because it served no purpose, yet again. my pain threshold is low at the moment. however I am still drawn here because of the GREAT forum members that share their knowledge freely. and still have a place in my heart for Sonar (kinda like a scorned lover) (silly I know).
Thank you for allowing me to "vent" without destroying me.
thanks,
Michael

First of all, feel free to call me Craig
 
And also, I believe that "nothing's better left unsaid." Your post served a definite purpose, which was to create a dialog between us where we both understand each other better. But I also have the good, or bad, fortune of having used pretty much every DAW in existence and I've learned none of them are perfect, so I see things from that perspective. The ones that are super-stable usually achieve that at the expense of a more limited feature set, while the more ambitious DAWs (and I would put Sonar in that category) open themselves up to the potential for more issues and incompatibilities.
 
But ultimately, I didn't start this thread to talk about Sonar, but more to point out the positive kind of interactions that are happening regarding X3. Frankly. I think what this forum is doing right now serves as an example of what can accomplished when people work together to achieve a common goal. Cakewalk wants to make the ideal program, we want to use the ideal program, and all of us are doing what we can to further that goal. That includes you, Michael...we all do things each in our own way.
 
 

Yes.  I think it has gotten much better - now it remains to be seen if the 'balance' can be maintained. 
 
There is a balance between:
 
a) Fawning, fanbois that attack any person asking a question or needing help.  Most of the times that people need help they can be upset and may not ask the 'right' question - which sometimes sets off the waves of the 'bots'.  I've seen this first hand, very much so a few years ago, but it seems mostly absent now.  
 
b) A ****fest every time something isn't exactly the way someone thinks it should be.   This can be features, directions etc. 
 
Somewhere between the two - a balance exists of healthy criticism and respect.   For users of all levels, and for the people (Cakewalk) who make the software we use.  
 
To that end, forums develop their own personalities.  That personality can be co-opted by certain 'strong characters' or people who have their own agenda (and maybe a lot of time on their hands!).  I've seen many a forum fall into disarray over a few people who make it their own sandbox.  The two ways that can be mitigated is through attention from the actual owners, or with a very healthy and supportive 'bulk' of the forum participants.  
From what I seem to be seeing now (here) - we have both:  the healthy participation of the 'owners' (ie CW) *and* a helpful and concerned user group.   :)
 
 
 

It's definitely refreshing to find a forum in a state such as this one is in right now. Very grateful.