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2013/11/01 21:08:20
John
Logic's MIDI is the best there is in a DAW. 
 
At least it used to be that way. I have not used Logic after Apple took it. 
 
Sonar's MIDI is excellent.  
2013/11/01 22:28:22
Silicon Audio
californiamusic
+1.  All X3 is missing is Clip Gain (Ala Pro Tools - Cubase visual style)  ; )

 
The fact that Sonar has had clip gain for years, but many don't know (as is often demonstrated in these forums), says to me that the Sonar GUI needs to make it easier to find.
2013/11/02 00:01:38
John
S A, I think he means he wants the clip to visually show the changed audio level. 
2013/11/02 00:49:33
musicroom
Pragi
MIDIMINDS
As a LOOOONG time Logic user and having worked with EVERY major DAW to produce commercial recordings in nearly ever genre of music, I must admit that Cakewalk has succeeded in making me a convert.  Yeap...even in regard to the functions that I need in MIDI and scoring.  I know that other DAWs have their strengths.  But as far as a "one stop shop" to get 90+% of my work done, SONAR X3(c) now fulfills that need.
 
I would seriously advise a major (online) marketing campaign to make folks aware of the growth and features that are now part of the SONAR application. 
 
My hat is off to the bakers.  Genuinely a JOB WELL DONE!
 
Much continued success, guys ~
JG


+1
Sonar X3 is the first daw since my logic 5.5.1 days, which completely (over-) fills this gap.
thanks cake




 
I totally agree. Same story here.
2013/11/02 14:23:21
leebut
On  the marketing side, yes, CW could do with getting major studios on their user list (maybe they have) to help push PT off the map. Forget PT session files, lets start being asked for CW session files instead.
2013/11/02 14:34:50
mettelus
Grem
mettelus
 
I often think of musicians who have never used a DAW at all (which is a big market)... if they were handed X3, would they be able to "create" quickly...




A guitarist? Maybe.
 
Drummer? Definitely not! : )




LOL... I have to give you this one for sure! A funny aside to this is I went to Baltimore's Halloween festivities and was talking to some band folks and one of them shouted out that I was their hero because I convinced my drummer friend to buy a Roland TD-9 kit two years ago! The reason this happened was I had told the drummer, "There is NO way I am mic'ing up a standard kit!"
2013/11/02 15:24:41
Loptec
RogerH
californiamusic
+1.  All X3 is missing is Clip Gain (Ala Pro Tools - Cubase visual style)  ; )


+1
and more sends in the console view




+1
and MIDI editing with better visual support for key switches and other cool stuff implemented in todays software instruments
2013/11/02 15:44:19
MIDIMINDS
RickJP909
 
I'm really curios MIDIMINDS as a lot of producers in the EDM scene bang on about "Logic Pro" (yawn, yawn, yawn) but as I understand it, its MIDI implementation is either limited or not very good?
 
So why is it that a lot of producers use it?  Is it because it's an Apple thing as Mac users don't like Cubase or something?
 
I have noted that as it originally belonged to Emagic, it does have some really good VST (woops AU, as Apple don't do VST) effects & great sounding synth plug-ins even though the ES synths are about the most ugliest & un-user friendly synth interfaces I've ever seen...  :-D
 
One last thing, I agree with others on here, Cakewalk should market their products better as I also think it's an outstanding piece of software & in the UK/Europe, it probably has the smallest market share which is a great shame (I think even Ableton outsells Sonar).




IMHO, one of the strongest selling points of Logic is that it is all inclusive.  Right from the box, you have your DAW, VST (AU) Instruments (most of which are VERY good), processing plugins and file editors. Add another 40GB of loops/content and you've got a heck of a combination. At $200, that is a steal - period.  It also has some key modified functions that are common to the EDM scene that affords you quick editing.  Further, Logic is pretty darn stable.  So performing musicians often trust it enough to gig with.  
 
Where Apple has failed is in turning Logic into something that more resembles Garageband Pro.  Its simply cartoonish and, without going under the hood, isn't the type of functional interface I would want to engage for hours at a time.  When I do revert to Logic, it is to 9.1.8 not Pro X.
 
It biggest drawback is the dongle.  Ranging in size from 13-15" portable or 22"x22"x8" main studio and costing up to $4500 fully outfitted, the price of the PCs needed to run it are OUTRAGEOUS!
 
Hope that clarifies.
JG
2013/11/02 15:54:10
SuperG
Where Apple has failed is in turning Logic into something that more resembles Garageband Pro.

 
The same identical argument is being used to describe Final Cut Pro X - in this case that it more resembles iMovie.
 
My guess is that, with these applications, Apple decided to concentrate on the market segment with the most profit potential. This would be a step or two down high end, as that requires increased resources but has a smaller market share. I suppose they figure to invest the difference in the iPhone business, where the financial returns are greater.
 
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