Beepster
Which is why I still think they should offer a Producer version that has all those extras stripped out for $50 so people who waited patiently for an X2 patch can have access to the increased stability and design fixes. $100 for a version with Melodyne (to make up for Audiosnap being broken), Quad Curve and maybe the tape sim.
 
 

Beeps...I hear you.  I already owned a lot of those things in Producer (AD and Melodyne)
But what I decided to do was sell my existing copy of AD and Melodyne and THEN do 
the upgrade, so for me it was a WIN WIN.  My suggestion when it first came out was to 
go back to Producer @$99 and Production Suite @ $149 Model, but, when you consider
everything that is included I still believe it is an incredible value.

No one (REALLY) is less happy about the lack of bug fixes (and communication) with
X2a then I was...I was quite vocal about it.  But, after doing the do, and doing the upgrade
I've found that inherently it is a superb value for money from every perspective.

If you already own the things contained in X3 P then sell them and defer the cost.
If you don't already own them then you're getting A LOT for the money.
 
I still have lot's of issues with it...and am hoping the X3c gets some of them resolved...
But, I seriously have to say...it IS a tremendous value...

cclarry

Beepster
Which is why I still think they should offer a Producer version that has all those extras stripped out for $50 so people who waited patiently for an X2 patch can have access to the increased stability and design fixes. $100 for a version with Melodyne (to make up for Audiosnap being broken), Quad Curve and maybe the tape sim.
 
 

Beeps...I hear you.  I already owned a lot of those things in Producer (AD and Melodyne)
But what I decided to do was sell my existing copy of AD and Melodyne and THEN do 
the upgrade, so for me it was a WIN WIN.  My suggestion when it first came out was to 
go back to Producer @$99 and Production Suite @ $149 Model, but, when you consider
everything that is included I still believe it is an incredible value.

No one (REALLY) is less happy about the lack of bug fixes (and communication) with
X2a then I was...I was quite vocal about it.  But, after doing the do, and doing the upgrade
I've found that inherently it is a superb value for money from every perspective.

If you already own the things contained in X3 P then sell them and defer the cost.
If you don't already own them then you're getting A LOT for the money.
 
I still have lot's of issues with it...and am hoping the X3c gets some of them resolved...
But, I seriously have to say...it IS a tremendous value...

It is indeed an outstanding value. I do not argue that whatsoever. If you need or want those extra dealybobs it is really actually quite insane value... BUT I am not a man of luxury. I must be very cautious and chaste with my purchases because none of this is making me any money yet. I anticipated at this point with all the calculated investments I could stop hemorrhaging for a little while and get to work.
 
That's all I want is to get to work... and I am. It's just far more glitchy and annoying than I think I deserve after all the money I've forked over. I built my system based on Sonar recommended specs. I bought a new interface because support told me to. All the extra software I've bought had Sonar in mind. To have the actual host behave this way after all that is rather upsetting.
 
I would not continue beating this dead horse if I didn't think that maybe, somehow, someway it might make the powers that be see that there ARE people out there who would pay for something like things and have all disillusionment disappear with such a benevolent and mutually beneficial act on their part.
 
To quote Phillip J Fry "TAKE MY MONEY!!!"

Beepster

cclarry

Beepster
Which is why I still think they should offer a Producer version that has all those extras stripped out for $50 so people who waited patiently for an X2 patch can have access to the increased stability and design fixes. $100 for a version with Melodyne (to make up for Audiosnap being broken), Quad Curve and maybe the tape sim.
 
 

Beeps...I hear you.  I already owned a lot of those things in Producer (AD and Melodyne)
But what I decided to do was sell my existing copy of AD and Melodyne and THEN do 
the upgrade, so for me it was a WIN WIN.  My suggestion when it first came out was to 
go back to Producer @$99 and Production Suite @ $149 Model, but, when you consider
everything that is included I still believe it is an incredible value.

No one (REALLY) is less happy about the lack of bug fixes (and communication) with
X2a then I was...I was quite vocal about it.  But, after doing the do, and doing the upgrade
I've found that inherently it is a superb value for money from every perspective.

If you already own the things contained in X3 P then sell them and defer the cost.
If you don't already own them then you're getting A LOT for the money.
 
I still have lot's of issues with it...and am hoping the X3c gets some of them resolved...
But, I seriously have to say...it IS a tremendous value...

It is indeed an outstanding value. I do not argue that whatsoever. If you need or want those extra dealybobs it is really actually quite insane value... BUT I am not a man of luxury. I must be very cautious and chaste with my purchases because none of this is making me any money yet. I anticipated at this point with all the calculated investments I could stop hemorrhaging for a little while and get to work.
 
That's all I want is to get to work... and I am. It's just far more glitchy and annoying than I think I deserve after all the money I've forked over. I built my system based on Sonar recommended specs. I bought a new interface because support told me to. All the extra software I've bought had Sonar in mind. To have the actual host behave this way after all that is rather upsetting.
 
I would not continue beating this dead horse if I didn't think that maybe, somehow, someway it might make the powers that be see that there ARE people out there who would pay for something like things and have all disillusionment disappear with such a benevolent and mutually beneficial act on their part.
 
To quote Phillip J Fry "TAKE MY MONEY!!!"

All EXCELLENT points Beeps...I do agree with you...

I think the upgrade price of $150 was a steal considering all the new features and fixes. I would've paid $250 without even a second thought. I have no problem and am happy to support software and customer service of this quality. The Cake Staff have done a fantastic job with everything and I applaud them. Great job Cakewalk!!
 
 

@CClarry
 
We seem to have been on the mainpage for the most part throughout much of this and the support has been appreciated. As far as selling stuff the extras I've bought are a) better than what's included b) probably not transferable anyway c) likely wouldn't fetch me much money in the current economic climate (I would lose a LOT of money).
 
The only things that interest me are the Quad Curve (but the old one works fine and I've already got a buttload of other EQs... and EQ is an EQ if you know how to use them.) and Melodyne integration but only to replace Audiosnap which I'd be more than happy with if it worked properly and VVocal which I have even used yet so I don't know if I actually need something for pitch correction. I have however been more interested in Nectar for that kind of thing anyway because it comes bundled with some other Izotope stuff I want.
 
X1 PS and X2 gave me my third party plug value. If I hadn't already bought those packages and invested in my specific add ons X3 would be pretty darned slick. I'd be more inclined to buy it if they had included things I DO need/want like the Concrete Limiter or aligned themselves with Izotope and tossed in RX (to replace/improve on R-Mix) or some of their other mastering tools.
 
Seriously the final frontier of plug ins for my DAW are Mastering tools. It kind of cracks me up that Sonar doesn't include a stereo field analyzer. Maybe X3 does but it seems like the type of thing Cake could easily put together themselves as a PC module or something.
 
That's all very specific to my needs though and I certainly would expect packages to reflect what I personally want but that's why a stripped down Producer upgrade for a lower price would be extremely tantalizing for the guys who have it all already. An a la carte version would be even better. This would probably screw up cross promotion deals though which I know they rely on to keep prices down but that still shouldn't allow outside entities to dictate the price of the base program for the heavily invested customers.
 
Anyway... gotta check on an accidental bounce/freeze which should be done now. Cheers.

I also think that the upgrade price is fair. I did not know that lesser versions than X2 Producer were getting in on the same price as X2 producer. This is not fair but whoever said life was fair.

+1
 
X3 Producer's features and stability alone make the upgrade price more than fair to me. The plug-ins that an X1 user would not get by jumping to X3 would justify their price as well (losing R-MIX SONAR and V-Vocal would be a big deal to me). I have bought probably 6 plug-ins, and the rest have come from SONAR only, and I have 152 loaded (more than I will ever actually use).
 
From the perspective of "entertainment for your money"... for $150 you could do many things, and that investment "goes away" after a very short time and becomes just "money spent." For example, you could watch 10 movies (or less) and get about 20 hours of "use." X3 producer has as much "use" as you want to dedicate to using it.

Guitarpima
I also think that the upgrade price is fair. I did not know that lesser versions than X2 Producer were getting in on the same price as X2 producer. This is not fair but whoever said life was fair.

  They're not..

The upgrade structure is as follows:


 SONAR X3 Producer Download:Site Price
Upgrade from SONAR X2 Producer     $149.00
Upgrade from any SONAR Producer    $199.00
Upgrade from any SONAR Studio       $299.00
Upgrade from any other SONAR         $399.00
Upgrade for any registered customer  $449.00

So anyone who owns Essential will get the UPGRADE from ANY other Sonar price of $399...
I think  this is what Beeps is referring to..in this scenario...but I may be wrong...

EDIT...crazy forum software ...LOL

Beepster
Which is why I still think they should offer a Producer version that has all those extras stripped out for $50 so people who waited patiently for an X2 patch can have access to the increased stability and design fixes. $100 for a version with Melodyne (to make up for Audiosnap being broken), Quad Curve and maybe the tape sim.
 
 

We do offer those...
 
It's call SONAR X3 for $49 (no ProChannel and additional plugins)
 
We also have SONAR X3 Studio for $99 (Includes Melodyne, Blue Tubes FX,  ProChannel plus you can use all your existing PC modules)
 
If you want Tape Sim and QuadCurve, you have to go up to the Producer. You have to remember that each version includes way more value than what you are paying for...I think we are being more than fair. Sorry you don't see it that way. The pricing is finalized so no matter how many times you post it, it's not going to change. Let's just move on.

I don't spend money on entertainment. My DAW is not meant as a source of entertainment (for me). It's a tool. I already paid to have working tools that don't work the way they are supposed to. $150 is not the final price to acquire a working product. In my case the final total would be $750 and I've been seeing reports of the exact same issues in X3 that I have with X2.
 
Seriously I'm happy for those that are happy. I wish I could be happy too.
 
Just had an audio engine dropout trying to playback after a freeze. Last night it was a hard crash zooming in on a MIDI clip. I'm not doing anything particularly crazy here.