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cclarry

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Which is why I still think they should offer a Producer version that has all those extras stripped out for $50 so people who waited patiently for an X2 patch can have access to the increased stability and design fixes. $100 for a version with Melodyne (to make up for Audiosnap being broken), Quad Curve and maybe the tape sim.
 
 

Beeps...I hear you.  I already owned a lot of those things in Producer (AD and Melodyne)
But what I decided to do was sell my existing copy of AD and Melodyne and THEN do 
the upgrade, so for me it was a WIN WIN.  My suggestion when it first came out was to 
go back to Producer @$99 and Production Suite @ $149 Model, but, when you consider
everything that is included I still believe it is an incredible value.

No one (REALLY) is less happy about the lack of bug fixes (and communication) with
X2a then I was...I was quite vocal about it.  But, after doing the do, and doing the upgrade
I've found that inherently it is a superb value for money from every perspective.

If you already own the things contained in X3 P then sell them and defer the cost.
If you don't already own them then you're getting A LOT for the money.
 
I still have lot's of issues with it...and am hoping the X3c gets some of them resolved...
But, I seriously have to say...it IS a tremendous value...

It is indeed an outstanding value. I do not argue that whatsoever. If you need or want those extra dealybobs it is really actually quite insane value... BUT I am not a man of luxury. I must be very cautious and chaste with my purchases because none of this is making me any money yet. I anticipated at this point with all the calculated investments I could stop hemorrhaging for a little while and get to work.
 
That's all I want is to get to work... and I am. It's just far more glitchy and annoying than I think I deserve after all the money I've forked over. I built my system based on Sonar recommended specs. I bought a new interface because support told me to. All the extra software I've bought had Sonar in mind. To have the actual host behave this way after all that is rather upsetting.
 
I would not continue beating this dead horse if I didn't think that maybe, somehow, someway it might make the powers that be see that there ARE people out there who would pay for something like things and have all disillusionment disappear with such a benevolent and mutually beneficial act on their part.
 
To quote Phillip J Fry "TAKE MY MONEY!!!"

Like I have said before, the value in each version is tremendous. Even with the $99 upgrade to SONAR X3 Studio, you get way way way more than $99 in functionality. I don't agree with you but I have read your posts and understand your position.

Andrew Rossa [Cakewalk]

Beepster
Which is why I still think they should offer a Producer version that has all those extras stripped out for $50 so people who waited patiently for an X2 patch can have access to the increased stability and design fixes. $100 for a version with Melodyne (to make up for Audiosnap being broken), Quad Curve and maybe the tape sim.
 
 

We do offer those...
 
It's call SONAR X3 for $49 (no ProChannel and additional plugins)
 
We also have SONAR X3 Studio for $99 (Includes Melodyne, Blue Tubes FX,  ProChannel plus you can use all your existing PC modules)
 
If you want Tape Sim and QuadCurve, you have to go up to the Producer. You have to remember that each version includes way more value than what you are paying for...I think we are being more than fair. Sorry you don't see it that way. The pricing is finalized so no matter how many times you post it, it's not going to change. Let's just move on.

No Prochannel. I cannot use the Prochannel stuff I paid for. I bought Producer to use Prochannel and all the other professional features. If you allowed me to use the Prochannel stuff and keep my track count and other pro functionality that I have ALREADY PAID FOR in Essential we'd be cool. It is not a replacement for a patch. It is a MASSIVE downgrade. Seriously you guys aren't helping with comments like this. I know you guys have to stay positive about your product and I don't expect you to agree with my opinion publicly or privately but to deride me for being upset about the past year is not cool. I ONLY bring this up in threads that are specifically about these issues. I give you guys credit where credit is do. I stifle my disappointment and opinions about this 99% of the time for the sake of not threadcrapping or trashing Cakewalk/Sonar who I do believe for the most part to be a good company/product.
 
Seriously, if you cannot understand where I'm coming from I don't know what to tell ya but this is now the fourth time a baker has acted like I'm some kind of wackaloon for suggesting that X2 Producer users could be cut a bit of a break. It's salt in the wound and is really not helping nudge me towards any kind of upgrade.
 
Also how exactly is it fair that someone who has bought two of the latest flagship versions has to pay the same price for Essentials or Studio than those who have paid far less? I laid out the math last night. There is a $300 difference for me to downgrade to Studio compared to someone who bought X1 Essentials and nothing else.

Beepster

Andrew Rossa [Cakewalk]

Beepster
Which is why I still think they should offer a Producer version that has all those extras stripped out for $50 so people who waited patiently for an X2 patch can have access to the increased stability and design fixes. $100 for a version with Melodyne (to make up for Audiosnap being broken), Quad Curve and maybe the tape sim.
 
 

We do offer those...
 
It's call SONAR X3 for $49 (no ProChannel and additional plugins)
 
We also have SONAR X3 Studio for $99 (Includes Melodyne, Blue Tubes FX,  ProChannel plus you can use all your existing PC modules)
 
If you want Tape Sim and QuadCurve, you have to go up to the Producer. You have to remember that each version includes way more value than what you are paying for...I think we are being more than fair. Sorry you don't see it that way. The pricing is finalized so no matter how many times you post it, it's not going to change. Let's just move on.

No Prochannel. I cannot use the Prochannel stuff I paid for. I bought Producer to use Prochannel and all the other professional features. If you allowed me to use the Prochannel stuff and keep my track count and other pro functionality that I have ALREADY PAID FOR in Essential we'd be cool. It is not a replacement for a patch. It is a MASSIVE downgrade. Seriously you guys aren't helping with comments like this. I know you guys have to stay positive about your product and I don't expect you to agree with my opinion publicly or privately but to deride me for being upset about the past year is not cool. I ONLY bring this up in threads that are specifically about these issues. I give you guys credit where credit is do. I stifle my disappointment and opinions about this 99% of the time for the sake of not threadcrapping or trashing Cakewalk/Sonar who I do believe for the most part to be a good company/product.
 
Seriously, if you cannot understand where I'm coming from I don't know what to tell ya but this is now the fourth time a baker has acted like I'm some kind of wackaloon for suggesting that X2 Producer users could be cut a bit of a break. It's salt in the wound and is really not helping nudge me towards any kind of upgrade.
 
Also how exactly is it fair that someone who has bought two of the latest flagship versions has to pay the same price for Essentials or Studio than those who have paid far less? I laid out the math last night. There is a $300 difference for me to downgrade to Studio compared to someone who bought X1 Essentials and nothing else.

Go for the $99 upgrade to SONAR X3 Studio which includes ProChannel. It's a great value and I think you'll be happy. I understand what you are saying but we aren't going to make a special $50 version for you where you can cherry pick the things you want and don't want. Let's move on...seriously.
 
In regards to someone who bought SONAR X1 Essential...they also didn't get the new features and tools we introduced in SONAR X2. Your comparison is seriously flawed. People who stay on the Producer upgrade path each year get the best value and best price, period. They also get to use the latest products longer. I said this before, but I think people who adopt early get the best value when they look at what the average cost of the product was for them over a year. 
 
Ok, now let's move on. Thanks for your feedback. It's been acknowledged and I have replied.

Andrew Rossa [Cakewalk]

Beepster

cclarry

Beepster
Which is why I still think they should offer a Producer version that has all those extras stripped out for $50 so people who waited patiently for an X2 patch can have access to the increased stability and design fixes. $100 for a version with Melodyne (to make up for Audiosnap being broken), Quad Curve and maybe the tape sim.
 
 

Beeps...I hear you.  I already owned a lot of those things in Producer (AD and Melodyne)
But what I decided to do was sell my existing copy of AD and Melodyne and THEN do 
the upgrade, so for me it was a WIN WIN.  My suggestion when it first came out was to 
go back to Producer @$99 and Production Suite @ $149 Model, but, when you consider
everything that is included I still believe it is an incredible value.

No one (REALLY) is less happy about the lack of bug fixes (and communication) with
X2a then I was...I was quite vocal about it.  But, after doing the do, and doing the upgrade
I've found that inherently it is a superb value for money from every perspective.

If you already own the things contained in X3 P then sell them and defer the cost.
If you don't already own them then you're getting A LOT for the money.
 
I still have lot's of issues with it...and am hoping the X3c gets some of them resolved...
But, I seriously have to say...it IS a tremendous value...

It is indeed an outstanding value. I do not argue that whatsoever. If you need or want those extra dealybobs it is really actually quite insane value... BUT I am not a man of luxury. I must be very cautious and chaste with my purchases because none of this is making me any money yet. I anticipated at this point with all the calculated investments I could stop hemorrhaging for a little while and get to work.
 
That's all I want is to get to work... and I am. It's just far more glitchy and annoying than I think I deserve after all the money I've forked over. I built my system based on Sonar recommended specs. I bought a new interface because support told me to. All the extra software I've bought had Sonar in mind. To have the actual host behave this way after all that is rather upsetting.
 
I would not continue beating this dead horse if I didn't think that maybe, somehow, someway it might make the powers that be see that there ARE people out there who would pay for something like things and have all disillusionment disappear with such a benevolent and mutually beneficial act on their part.
 
To quote Phillip J Fry "TAKE MY MONEY!!!"

Like I have said before, the value in each version is tremendous. Even with the $99 upgrade to SONAR X3 Studio, you get way way way more than $99 in functionality. I don't agree with you but I have read your posts and understand your position.

Okay well you posted this while I was typing my other reply. This is a little more civil so thank you. I would have no problem with the pricing IF I could use X2 reliably while I save up but the lack of a patch or any kind of maintenance or communication PLUS a price increase justified by things I don't want or need AND having insinuations of me being a troll, malcontent or pirate is infuriating.
 
I will let this be for today but nothing has changed here. I still think you could scoop up a pile of upgrade dollars from loyal Producer users if you took Essentials, unlocked the track count and bit depth/samplerate counts and allowed us to use our Prochannel modules.
 
Cheers.

Beepster

Andrew Rossa [Cakewalk]

Beepster

cclarry

Beepster
Which is why I still think they should offer a Producer version that has all those extras stripped out for $50 so people who waited patiently for an X2 patch can have access to the increased stability and design fixes. $100 for a version with Melodyne (to make up for Audiosnap being broken), Quad Curve and maybe the tape sim.
 
 

Beeps...I hear you.  I already owned a lot of those things in Producer (AD and Melodyne)
But what I decided to do was sell my existing copy of AD and Melodyne and THEN do 
the upgrade, so for me it was a WIN WIN.  My suggestion when it first came out was to 
go back to Producer @$99 and Production Suite @ $149 Model, but, when you consider
everything that is included I still believe it is an incredible value.

No one (REALLY) is less happy about the lack of bug fixes (and communication) with
X2a then I was...I was quite vocal about it.  But, after doing the do, and doing the upgrade
I've found that inherently it is a superb value for money from every perspective.

If you already own the things contained in X3 P then sell them and defer the cost.
If you don't already own them then you're getting A LOT for the money.
 
I still have lot's of issues with it...and am hoping the X3c gets some of them resolved...
But, I seriously have to say...it IS a tremendous value...

It is indeed an outstanding value. I do not argue that whatsoever. If you need or want those extra dealybobs it is really actually quite insane value... BUT I am not a man of luxury. I must be very cautious and chaste with my purchases because none of this is making me any money yet. I anticipated at this point with all the calculated investments I could stop hemorrhaging for a little while and get to work.
 
That's all I want is to get to work... and I am. It's just far more glitchy and annoying than I think I deserve after all the money I've forked over. I built my system based on Sonar recommended specs. I bought a new interface because support told me to. All the extra software I've bought had Sonar in mind. To have the actual host behave this way after all that is rather upsetting.
 
I would not continue beating this dead horse if I didn't think that maybe, somehow, someway it might make the powers that be see that there ARE people out there who would pay for something like things and have all disillusionment disappear with such a benevolent and mutually beneficial act on their part.
 
To quote Phillip J Fry "TAKE MY MONEY!!!"

Like I have said before, the value in each version is tremendous. Even with the $99 upgrade to SONAR X3 Studio, you get way way way more than $99 in functionality. I don't agree with you but I have read your posts and understand your position.

Okay well you posted this while I was typing my other reply. This is a little more civil so thank you. I would have no problem with the pricing IF I could use X2 reliably while I save up but the lack of a patch or any kind of maintenance or communication PLUS a price increase justified by things I don't want or need AND having insinuations of me being a troll, malcontent or pirate is infuriating.
 
I will let this be for today but nothing has changed here. I still think you could scoop up a pile of upgrade dollars from loyal Producer users if you took Essentials, unlocked the track count and bit depth/samplerate counts and allowed us to use our Prochannel modules.
 
Cheers.

Just to be clear, there is no track limitation or fenced bit depth/sample rate on SONAR X3 (it's no longer called Essential). It's unlimited tracks, 64-bit mix engine, VST3, Gobbler, Comping, Color customizations, etc.
 
No you won't get ProChannel modules but for only $50 more you are going to get Melodyne Essential and Blue Tubes FX. Not a bad deal. Plus you can use all your ProChannel modules. 

There is more flawed logic there but this is pointless. Good luck with the release. I may or may not upgrade but as it stands I am not a happy customer. Cheers.

Andrew Rossa [Cakewalk]

Beepster

Andrew Rossa [Cakewalk]

Beepster

cclarry

Beepster
Which is why I still think they should offer a Producer version that has all those extras stripped out for $50 so people who waited patiently for an X2 patch can have access to the increased stability and design fixes. $100 for a version with Melodyne (to make up for Audiosnap being broken), Quad Curve and maybe the tape sim.
 
 

Beeps...I hear you.  I already owned a lot of those things in Producer (AD and Melodyne)
But what I decided to do was sell my existing copy of AD and Melodyne and THEN do 
the upgrade, so for me it was a WIN WIN.  My suggestion when it first came out was to 
go back to Producer @$99 and Production Suite @ $149 Model, but, when you consider
everything that is included I still believe it is an incredible value.

No one (REALLY) is less happy about the lack of bug fixes (and communication) with
X2a then I was...I was quite vocal about it.  But, after doing the do, and doing the upgrade
I've found that inherently it is a superb value for money from every perspective.

If you already own the things contained in X3 P then sell them and defer the cost.
If you don't already own them then you're getting A LOT for the money.
 
I still have lot's of issues with it...and am hoping the X3c gets some of them resolved...
But, I seriously have to say...it IS a tremendous value...

It is indeed an outstanding value. I do not argue that whatsoever. If you need or want those extra dealybobs it is really actually quite insane value... BUT I am not a man of luxury. I must be very cautious and chaste with my purchases because none of this is making me any money yet. I anticipated at this point with all the calculated investments I could stop hemorrhaging for a little while and get to work.
 
That's all I want is to get to work... and I am. It's just far more glitchy and annoying than I think I deserve after all the money I've forked over. I built my system based on Sonar recommended specs. I bought a new interface because support told me to. All the extra software I've bought had Sonar in mind. To have the actual host behave this way after all that is rather upsetting.
 
I would not continue beating this dead horse if I didn't think that maybe, somehow, someway it might make the powers that be see that there ARE people out there who would pay for something like things and have all disillusionment disappear with such a benevolent and mutually beneficial act on their part.
 
To quote Phillip J Fry "TAKE MY MONEY!!!"

Like I have said before, the value in each version is tremendous. Even with the $99 upgrade to SONAR X3 Studio, you get way way way more than $99 in functionality. I don't agree with you but I have read your posts and understand your position.

Okay well you posted this while I was typing my other reply. This is a little more civil so thank you. I would have no problem with the pricing IF I could use X2 reliably while I save up but the lack of a patch or any kind of maintenance or communication PLUS a price increase justified by things I don't want or need AND having insinuations of me being a troll, malcontent or pirate is infuriating.
 
I will let this be for today but nothing has changed here. I still think you could scoop up a pile of upgrade dollars from loyal Producer users if you took Essentials, unlocked the track count and bit depth/samplerate counts and allowed us to use our Prochannel modules.
 
Cheers.

Just to be clear, there is no track limitation or fenced bit depth/sample rate on SONAR X3 (it's no longer called Essential). It's unlimited tracks, 64-bit mix engine, VST3, Gobbler, Comping, Color customizations, etc.
 
No you won't get ProChannel modules but for only $50 more you are going to get Melodyne Essential and Blue Tubes FX. Not a bad deal. Plus you can use all your ProChannel modules. 

Which is why I was looking at Studio. I was just very surprised to find out that just to get that functionality I'd be paying the same price as folks who had any old version AND I lose my Producer upgrade path.
 
And the only thing missing from X2 as far as I can tell is R-Mix and VVocal (which is more than replaced by Melodyne). It is faulty logic and it would have been better to just say "Sorry, man but we ain't changing the price". I had already accepted that was probably the case. I was merely expressing my thoughts on subject matter of this thread and yelling at clouds to release a little impotent rage.
 
Now if you'll excuse me I have to check on a bounce.

Beepster
Which is why I still think they should offer a Producer version that has all those extras stripped out for $50 so people who waited patiently for an X2 patch can have access to the increased stability and design fixes. $100 for a version with Melodyne (to make up for Audiosnap being broken), Quad Curve and maybe the tape sim.
 
 

I think a stripped out version for people who already own equivalent or better versions of the plugins (that aren't limited to SONAR), would be nice, as well. 

I consider it incredible value for money. Save up if you can't afford it now. Good luck.
 
Look at logic- everyone pays 200 to get the new build. Cubase from 6.5-7 is 200, Nuendo 250 (no NEK), Ableton 300. Yet there are guys who think, if I am understanding right, that Cakewalk should do a 50 buck upgrade with everything included apart from third party plugins- except do include Melodyne please. Even if Cakewalk did offer this deal some guys here would find something to cry about I'm certain.
 
As it stands- for 150 (50 less than the other big boys) you get just as much as an upgradeplus they throw in a couple of hundred dollars of third party software- which you may or may not choose to install. 
 

backwoods
I consider it incredible value for money. Save up if you can't afford it now. Good luck.
 
Look at logic- everyone pays 200 to get the new build. Cubase from 6.5-7 is 200, Nuendo 250 (no NEK), Ableton 300. Yet there are guys who think, if I am understanding right, that Cakewalk should do a 50 buck upgrade with everything included apart from third party plugins- except do include Melodyne please. Even if Cakewalk did offer this deal some guys here would find something to cry about I'm certain.
 
As it stands- for 150 (50 less than the other big boys) you get just as much as an upgradeplus they throw in a couple of hundred dollars of third party software- which you may or may not choose to install. 
 

First off I said strip out melodyne and EVERYTHING else on the $50 version. Second considering I can barely get the program to perform simple tasks if at all following their own bleeding manual step by step as I am experiencing yet again today I think that yeah... they could throw us a bleeding bone. At this very moment I am wishing I had not been an idiot and bought Cubase like I should have in the first place but I got sucked in by all the doodads and warm fuzzy vibes Cakewalk gives off.
 
If a Baker wants to ACTUALLY do something positive for me they can help me figure out why the hell my bounces aren't working in the thread I've started above instead of trying to make me feel like an arsehole.