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  • [SOLVED] X2 + BFD: Why is my MIDI bounce not working?
2013/10/27 15:41:37
Beepster
Okay, this is getting to be too much. This should be straightforward.
 
I am trying to create an audio clip of the kick output from BFD. It is just a test so I know it will work when I go to bounce all the other pieces. I have tried multiple options in the bounce menu and nothing is working. I only get a flatlined track with no audible output.
 
I select the audio track for the kick that is being fed by BFD.
 
BFD is set to Offline (and I've tried leaving it Online).
 
In the track view menu I select Tracks > Bounce to Track(s) and the dialog opens
 
In the dialog I select the Kick track as the source and allow it to create a new track (I also tried letting it write to the original audio track but it still flatlined and I THOUGHT I was getting sound but now I realize it was the live output from BFD not the audio clip). I tried multiple configurations in this dialog but none of those should have made a difference. I still should have gotten a working clip.
 
After I wait for the bounce to complete the new track is there but there is no wave and there is no audible output.
 
What am I doing wrong? This is supposed to work.
 
Frack!!
 
Thank you for any advice on this matter. Cheers.
2013/10/27 16:30:51
Beepster
I just did the following a dozen or more freaking times trying all sorts of different things trying to make this work and am still getting nothing. THIS IS DRIVING ME CRAZY!!!
 
Converting your soft synth tracks to audio
Once your project sounds the way you want it to, it’s extremely easy to convert your soft synth MIDI tracks to either new audio tracks, or Wave, MP3, or other exported files.
You can also do a temporary conversion, called freezing. See Freeze tracks and synths for more information.
To convert your soft synth tracks to new audio tracks
1.
Mute all tracks that you don’t want to convert.

2.
Click the Track view Tracks menu and choose Bounce to Track(s).

The Bounce to Track(s) dialog box appears.
3.
In the Destination field, choose a new or pre-existing track to put the new audio data on.

4.
If you’ve saved presets from previous bounce operations, you can choose a preset from the Preset field.

5.
In the Source Category field, choose Tracks.

6.
In the Channel Format field, choose mono if you want a mono track, stereo if you want a stereo track, and split mono if you want to create separate mono tracks.

7.
In the Source/Buses field, choose the output bus(es) that the soft synth tracks are using (usually the main outputs).

8.
In the Mix Enables field, make sure all choices are selected.

9.
Click OK.

SONAR creates new audio tracks from the outputs you selected. When you’re through converting, don’t forget to mute your MIDI tracks so you won’t hear them and the new audio track(s) at the same time.
 
 
2013/10/27 16:50:41
Beepster
If I select THIS....

5.
In the Source Category field, choose Tracks.


Then I don't get busses for THIS in the list...

7.
In the Source/Buses field, choose the output bus(es) that the soft synth tracks are using (usually the main outputs).

All I get is a list of selected tracks, which SHOULD be the output "bus" for the synth but that doesn't work. Even if I select the busses in the project they don't show up in that list if I have Tracks selected. If I choose any other of the other options instead of tracks I can see the busses but if I select any one of those I still get nothing... oh one time I got a bunch of random tracks that weren't selected and were muted but completely dry but I DIDN'T get the Kick I was trying to bounce. I have no idea what the heck that was about.
 
See now... this would be a good time for a Baker to actually step in and say something to HELP me figure this out. Not give me a hard time because I don't like the new pricing scheme. Cripes. Completely wasted afternoon.
2013/10/27 17:06:09
jb101
Did you have MIDI track selected as well as audio?
 
I just selected all outs plus MIDID track, bounced them all to separate racks.
 
I tend to freeze the synth as it's a lot easier.
2013/10/27 17:06:45
Beepster
I give up. Yet another disappointment. Goddammit, man.
2013/10/27 17:09:47
Beepster
jb101
Did you have MIDI track selected as well as audio?
 
I just selected all outs plus MIDID track, bounced them all to separate racks.
 
I tend to freeze the synth as it's a lot easier.




I believe I did try that configuration a couple times. I will try again. You mean select the actual tracks in the Track View right? It doesn't seem to appear in the bounce dialog. I am also just trying to do one track but I guess I'll select all of them to see if that makes a difference.
 
Thanks for the effort jb. Kind of going a little crazy here. Cheers.
2013/10/27 17:16:47
jb101
Select synth audio out for bass derum.  Select MIDI track as well.  Bounce to tracks, choose "tracks", and make sure your bass drum track is highlighted.  Bingo.  If you don't select MIDI track = flatline.  I use fast bounce as it's quicker...
 
Never done this before just now, as I use freeze synth, but it is pretty straightforward and quick, so may play around with it some more.
2013/10/27 17:19:14
Beepster
Yes, selecting the actual MIDI track as well as the Kick track worked. Nowhere does it even mention anything about selecting anything. I had tried at one point to select the MIDI track but it told me no audio was selected so I must not have had the Kick selected as well. What a run around.
 
But at least now I know. Thank you VERY much, jb. You just prevented a studio fire with that tidbit.
 
 
2013/10/27 17:21:56
Beepster
Yes... straightforward now that I know about the selection method. You'd think they'd put that little step in the friggen' manual.
 
Anyway all is well now. No arson has occurred. Just a wasted afternoon and a couple burst blood vessels. Thanks again jb. Cheers.
 
2013/10/27 17:43:34
jb101
I guess without the MIDI track selected there is no sound.  MIDI track + synth out = sound.
 
I guess you could have several MIDI tracks controlling the same synth, and Sonar would need to know which one to bounce.
 
I first tried it by just selecting the Audio out.  When all I got was a flatline, I selected Audio and MIDI track and it worked.
 
I just looked at the manual, and can see how it might mislead.  It just states "Mute all the tracks that you don't want to hear", so I guess we want to hear the MIDI track with the synth, yes?
 
Glad you're sorted.
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