markyzno


the wrapper works kind OK(ish)...around 65% of my VST's work in PT 10

pbognar

vintagevibe

If only Sonar had notation as good as PT.

@vintagevibe:  +10 - Damn straight.

@LJB:  I would agree that Sonar is for musicians and PT is for engineers, however, what the heck is such a great notation function doing in PT 9 (for engineers)?

If PT9 is stable for tracking and has superior notation, is it worth upgrading to from PT MP9?  The dropping of wrapper support of VST / VSTi's in PT11 has me concerned, not to mention the big money to upgrade.

I'm wondering if I should consider a dual program approach.  Anyone know how well FxExpanion's vst wrappers work inside of PT9?

Out of curiousity, just checked and confirmed that I could upgrade from PT MP9 to PT10 for $399, with a complimentary upgrade to PT11 if I do it now.
 
For those who are PT users, is this reasonable?

Sonar spanks Pro Tools ,,,, they are just starting to catch up .  I own PT10 and I use it only to remind myself how good X2 really is

depends on what you use it for?

But you will be able to run PT10 and PT11 side by side (Much like Sonar versions can)

I really think its all too pricey tbh. I scathe Avid and PT and its a necassary evil for me...I use Sonar for all my music and sound design work (because I love it and have been a Cakewalk user for well over ten years) but I have been forced to use PT for my film/delivery work as avid have the "industry standard" asset completely locked down.

Try going to a dubbing studio and saying to the dubbing mixer you work in Sonar. They usually cite they have never heard of it and then you feel like a Reaper user!

A part of the terms and conditions for selling a Feature film to market place via a distribution company...i.e Deliverables, they clearly state they need PT sessions for all the different mixes, i.e M&E, DME, LTRT, 5:1 etc etc.... Sonar just cant compete in that respect and its a crying shame.

I would rather not use PT at all, but there you go.

pbognar

markyzno


the wrapper works kind OK(ish)...around 65% of my VST's work in PT 10

pbognar

vintagevibe

If only Sonar had notation as good as PT.

@vintagevibe:  +10 - Damn straight.

@LJB:  I would agree that Sonar is for musicians and PT is for engineers, however, what the heck is such a great notation function doing in PT 9 (for engineers)?

If PT9 is stable for tracking and has superior notation, is it worth upgrading to from PT MP9?  The dropping of wrapper support of VST / VSTi's in PT11 has me concerned, not to mention the big money to upgrade.

I'm wondering if I should consider a dual program approach.  Anyone know how well FxExpanion's vst wrappers work inside of PT9?

Out of curiousity, just checked and confirmed that I could upgrade from PT MP9 to PT10 for $399, with a complimentary upgrade to PT11 if I do it now.
 
For those who are PT users, is this reasonable?

I've got a big richard. You obviously like my richard, because you have the same one. Can we stroke each other's richards? Please, it feels so good. 

Yes, ProTools is just catching up to some of the features that Sonar has. The main reason, no matter what you might think to fool yourselves, is that those features just weren't important enough to the people that pay Avid's bills. 

This is a 20% of the people paying 80% of the bills kind of thing. The people that pay for the service plans & technical support & all that stuff. 

Sonar has a product that would most likely satisfy the 80% most of us would fit in that 80% & while Avid may appreciate our business, while Avid is attempting to increase its market share among that 80%, we're really on the back burner. 

There's really no need to compare Sonar to Pro Tools. Totally different products. Sonar struggles in the arena Pro Tools shines. Pro Tools struggles in the arena Sonar shines. There is some overlap & you're going to choose the tool that helps you do what you do the way you want to do it. 

I know it's easier to believe we are smarter than the people who run the big studios, production houses, media houses...... they're all just throwing money away, because they don't know any better. 

Yeah, right. 

thunderkyss


I've got a big richard. You obviously like my richard, because you have the same one. Can we stroke each other's richards? Please, it feels so good. 

Yes, ProTools is just catching up to some of the features that Sonar has. The main reason, no matter what you might think to fool yourselves, is that those features just weren't important enough to the people that pay Avid's bills. 

This is a 20% of the people paying 80% of the bills kind of thing. The people that pay for the service plans & technical support & all that stuff. 

Sonar has a product that would most likely satisfy the 80% most of us would fit in that 80% & while Avid may appreciate our business, while Avid is attempting to increase its market share among that 80%, we're really on the back burner. 

There's really no need to compare Sonar to Pro Tools. Totally different products. Sonar struggles in the arena Pro Tools shines. Pro Tools struggles in the arena Sonar shines. There is some overlap & you're going to choose the tool that helps you do what you do the way you want to do it. 

I know it's easier to believe we are smarter than the people who run the big studios, production houses, media houses...... they're all just throwing money away, because they don't know any better. 

Yeah, right. 

I don't know anything about throwing money away but I definitely know I'm smarter than the people who run the big studios, production houses, and media houses….   :-)

Everything you wanted to know about PT 11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6-rDi7t348

vicsant

Everything you wanted to know about PT 11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6-rDi7t348

Tried to watch it but felt like I was listening to the announcers of a golf match. Is there a faster version of it like say 20 seconds. 

At least show like a cartoon or something in the background. Common, entertain me a little. 


After about a minute my mind was going blah blah blah, bla blah blah blah. 

wineshop


Is it just me - or are the "new and revolutionary" features Avid is now advertising as part of the new PT11 all features that Sonar has included for years? If you watch the new promo video, guys are literally hugging each other, and I'm yelling at the screen "we've been doing that forever with Cake". I realize the HD guys are locked in with it. But I've tried PT10 at home and I didn't care for it as it was missing a lot of Sonar's features. It seems they've closed the gap some, but for them to be announcing those gap closers as game changers ...? Am I missing something here? What did they accomplish with 11 that hasn't been accomplished for years with Sonar? Offline bounce? 64 bit? Really? 
 

I'm glad to see that finally someone else get it! Pro Tools is just a hype...

Freddie H



I'm glad to see that finally someone else get it! Pro Tools is just a hype...

Pro Tools is the kind of hype that gets used day in day out in the vast majority of the professional commercial studios to record and mix almost anyone who is someone in the industry.

So while some wise people in all their wisdom ridiculed things like the lack of offline bounce or PT being 32 bit only, the people who actually do this for a living - those who have gold and platinum records hanging on their wall - those people were using a 32 bit application and making millions of dollars. 

 No one makes as much noise about Pro Tools as the Pro Tools haters. Those folks can go on for day rationalizing why this or that app is so much better and how superior this or that is. Meanwhile - pros get the job done using Pro Tools, day in, day out. Their thing is mixing music, not comparing specs.

Very well said Rain. At last the voice of reason. And like I have been saying the reason they are making millions of dollars using PT and 32 bit apps is because the music is good. Simple as that really. When the music is good nothing else really matters. 

I am in Beatles mode right now reading a great book on John Lennon called 'Lennon' by Tim Riley. They had pretty restricted things back then, but the music! WOW! The writing and the emotion and the music just transcends it all.