Rain

Freddie H



I'm glad to see that finally someone else get it! Pro Tools is just a hype...

Pro Tools is the kind of hype that gets used day in day out in the vast majority of the professional commercial studios to record and mix almost anyone who is someone in the industry.

So while some wise people in all their wisdom ridiculed things like the lack of offline bounce or PT being 32 bit only, the people who actually do this for a living - those who have gold and platinum records hanging on their wall - those people were using a 32 bit application and making millions of dollars. 

No one makes as much noise about Pro Tools as the Pro Tools haters. Those folks can go on for day rationalizing why this or that app is so much better and how superior this or that is. Meanwhile - pros get the job done using Pro Tools, day in, day out. Their thing is mixing music, not comparing specs.

@ Rain, what a joke!
 
So the rest of 90% rest of the production and music (99,999% of all films) made by other software's then Pro Tools that are in x64bit doesn't cut it?
I would say the vast majority users use Cubase, Nuendo, SONAR X2, LOGIC PRO, STUDIO ONE, Live, Samplitude and DP not Pro Tools.
I would estimate that 90% in Europe use Cubase, Nuendo, Logic PRO, Studio one and Live. The most of all top producers, Red One, Swedish House Mafia, Max Martin + many of my other colleges that are from Sweden use Logic PRO or Cubase. I'm the only one from Sweden using SONAR X2 that I know of...
 
 
@Jeff
 
You seem to miss the biggest part that Beatles and Tim used the state of the art cutting edge of the technologies in the their time. 
If it was today they wouldn't consider use any x32bit applications like Pro Tools. I hope you finally learn something by reading their books and draw your own conclusion. 

Spiderman vs Batman......

Both are awesome. (btw Sonar would be Spiderman and PT would be Batman!)

Freddie H

Rain

@ Rain, what a joke!
 
So the rest of 90% rest of the production and music (99,999% of all films) made by other software's then Pro Tools that are in x64bit doesn't cut it?
I would say the vast majority users use Cubase, Nuendo, SONAR X2, LOGIC PRO, STUDIO ONE, Live, Samplitude and DP not Pro Tools.
I would estimate that 90% in Europe use Cubase, Nuendo, Logic PRO, Studio one and Live. The most of all top producers, Red One, Swedish House Mafia, Max Martin + many of my other colleges that are from Sweden use Logic PRO or Cubase. I'm the only one from Sweden using SONAR X2 that I know of...

Not saying that other products don't cut it Freddie - I'm saying that a lot of the users of those software seem to have some kind on an inferiority complex so they are constantly feeling the need to justify their choice and bash Pro Tools.  
 
I was talking about commercial recording studios putting out recordings that are known outside their respective scene.. You know? About real engineers, who know how to mic a drum or a guitar cabinet. Who mix other things than samples and synths. I'm talking about guys like Joe Baressi, recording Tool or Queens of the Stone Age. 

Listen to 10 000 Days by Tool, or to the last Soundgarden and then tell me what's wrong w/ Pro Tools again. Tell me what they lack compared to all the amazing chart toppers that were produced using Cubase. 

Come to Las Vegas and hear the amazing remixes and the impeccable quality of the Beatles music in the show Love. I guess Abbey Road couldn't afford Sonar and it's amazing 64 Bit engine, so they had to make due w/ Pro Tools. 

I sat there for 2 hours and kept thinking: Poor, poor George Martin! if only PT had been 64 bit... If only... NOT.


I'll tell you this - in my travels and among all the musicians I've met, all the studios I have visited in the last two years - private and commercial - I've seen NOTHING but Pro Tools and Logic. 

One guy that uses DP instead of Logic. One.

I'm not saying that other software isn't used by some people or that it isn't adequate. Sonar is good, Cubase is good, Nuendo is good...  But the fact that they are 64 bit or this or that doesn't mean a thing in the face of the very simple fact that the industry uses Pro Tools. 


And by industry, I don't mean the new breed of so-called independent professional DJ/Producers defecating "beats" on the internet out of their mom's house basement, remixing each other and gigging at the corner pub once a month. 

Since DAWs and the internet, it's like there's no amateur anywhere anymore. 

@Rain -  excellent response man.. You nailed it.

aye +1

Rain

Freddie H

Rain

@ Rain, what a joke!

So the rest of 90% rest of the production and music (99,999% of all films) made by other software's then Pro Tools that are in x64bit doesn't cut it?
I would say the vast majority users use Cubase, Nuendo, SONAR X2, LOGIC PRO, STUDIO ONE, Live, Samplitude and DP not Pro Tools.
I would estimate that 90% in Europe use Cubase, Nuendo, Logic PRO, Studio one and Live. The most of all top producers, Red One, Swedish House Mafia, Max Martin + many of my other colleges that are from Sweden use Logic PRO or Cubase. I'm the only one from Sweden using SONAR X2 that I know of...

Not saying that other products don't cut it Freddie - I'm saying that a lot of the users of those software seem to have some kind on an inferiority complex so they are constantly feeling the need to justify their choice and bash Pro Tools.  

I was talking about commercial recording studios putting out recordings that are known outside their respective scene.. You know? About real engineers, who know how to mic a drum or a guitar cabinet. Who mix other things than samples and synths. I'm talking about guys like Joe Baressi, recording Tool or Queens of the Stone Age. 

Listen to 10 000 Days by Tool, or to the last Soundgarden and then tell me what's wrong w/ Pro Tools again. Tell me what they lack compared to all the amazing chart toppers that were produced using Cubase. 

Come to Las Vegas and hear the amazing remixes and the impeccable quality of the Beatles music in the show Love. I guess Abbey Road couldn't afford Sonar and it's amazing 64 Bit engine, so they had to make due w/ Pro Tools. 

I sat there for 2 hours and kept thinking: Poor, poor George Martin! if only PT had been 64 bit... If only... NOT.


I'll tell you this - in my travels and among all the musicians I've met, all the studios I have visited in the last two years - private and commercial - I've seen NOTHING but Pro Tools and Logic. 

One guy that uses DP instead of Logic. One.

I'm not saying that other software isn't used by some people or that it isn't adequate. Sonar is good, Cubase is good, Nuendo is good...  But the fact that they are 64 bit or this or that doesn't mean a thing in the face of the very simple fact that the industry uses Pro Tools. 


And by industry, I don't mean the new breed of so-called independent professional DJ/Producers defecating "beats" on the internet out of their mom's house basement, remixing each other and gigging at the corner pub once a month. 

Since DAWs and the internet, it's like there's no amateur anywhere anymore. 

WDI


vicsant

Everything you wanted to know about PT 11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6-rDi7t348

Tried to watch it but felt like I was listening to the announcers of a golf match. Is there a faster version of it like say 20 seconds. 

At least show like a cartoon or something in the background. Common, entertain me a little. 


After about a minute my mind was going blah blah blah, bla blah blah blah. 

Which illustrates my point. Although there are similarities & some overlap, most of us don't need & aren't interested in what ProTools is intended to do. For those that need all that "blah blah blah, bla blah blah balh" there is no substitute, which is why they've been in business.... nigh, high demand for years. 


There is no market for "Sonar Support" you're not going to get a job, or a contract to install, maintain, & repair a Sonar system. You're not going to make any money as a Sonar regional sales associate. 


All that stuff in that video is important to someone & they will spend thousands of dollars to get it. 


Comparing Sonar to ProTools is like comparing a Roland 2480 to a complete recording studio. Yeah, you can produce a quality product with the Roland, but there are some things, you just can't do. 


The problem here, is that there are some people who just can't accept that. 

Yeah, ProTools is really part of a larger infrastructure of hardware, software, paid support, plus a bit of the lock-in effect of being the industry (and importantly, formal training) standard. I don't think "Pro" necessarily means "best", it means "Pro". In terms of a fairly standardised working environment for projects to easily pass from studio to studio, and for it to be easy to find a professional user of, Pro Tools is basically it. In terms of what these bits of software can do, they're really all roughly the same. Everything's got a few things that something else hasn't. 90%, they're about equivalent.

I just did a mix in ProTools 10 at someone else's studio the other week. And you know, it was fine. To me, all this nitpicking about this DAW or that DAW is bizarre, when there actually isn't a *bad* one out there.

You know? About real engineers, who know how to mic a drum or a guitar cabinet. Who mix other things than samples and synths. I'm talking about guys like Joe Baressi, recording Tool or Queens of the Stone Age. 

Though ProTools is very common, there are folks in the industry who aren't using ProTools or Logic.
Mastering Engineers, Film and Game Composers, Mix Engineers, Record Company Execs, Radio Production Engineers, etc.
These folks have looked at what ProTools offers vs. the cost... and decided Sonar, Cubase/Nuendo, Samplitude/Sequoia, DP, etc was a better fit.  Many of these folks are clients... so I know they exist.   
ie: Recent client works on numerous 30 minute radio spots each week.  Offline bounce saves this client literally hours of production time each/every week.

A professional isn't hired because of the tools he/she uses.
They're hired based on reputation and results.
If a client cares more about your DAW software than your skills as an engineer, run the opposite direction.

To me, all this nitpicking about this DAW or that DAW is bizarre, when there actually isn't a *bad* one out there.

 
This, it seems to me, is exactly correct.
 
Regards