I have a tool.

Sadly, it certainly ain't 'Pro'

And you wouldn't want it in your studio....

Unless you like cheese.







Incidentally, who's winning? Is it SONAR?

I hope so....

I like SONAR.


 
 
 
 




PS, it's an amateur cheese knife.

Everybody knows you can't slice cheese with an amateur cheese knife. You have to use a pro cheese knife. All the best chesses use Pro cheese knives.  Now, if you wish to do it right and upgrade I can sell you a proper pro cheese knife. We have an installment plan too. You will need it.  

I myself worked in radio for many years. When I first arrived at Tulsa's Cox Radio cluster, they were using Pro Tools in all of the production studios. The company had invested tons of money in Pro Tools, but everyone who had to use the program to produce commercials or interviews hated it.

I suggested they try Cool Edit Pro (pre-Adobe) in one room to see what the staff thought of it. Soon, that was the only studio anyone wanted to use. As time went on, they upgraded eventually to Adobe Audition 3 in every room, which they continue to use to this day.

I gave up the increasingly-badly-run radio biz a few years ago, but I still rely on Audition 3 for commercial production...and of course, Sonar X2a for jingles, songwriting, etc.

There's no doubt that Pro Tools has become the "Coca-Cola" of DAW's, primarily because they were first out of the gate to firmly establish themselves and dominate the market...but I've always been a Mountain Dew man. The Audition/Sonar combination gives me everything I need, for any project. I can't imagine throwing that away for Pro Tools, even if AVID gave me the newest edition for free.

Freddie H

Are you on drugs? 

 
Please enlighten us with just one single feature exclusive found in in Pro Tools that Cubase, SONAR, LOGIC and Samplitude or the rest DAW already have? You should definitely stop taking those AVID Kool Aid pills.
 
Over and Out and Bye all!

Did you watch the video? 


Again, it's like comparing Kronos & a VS2480 to Motown. The right guy could run circles around Motown (or whatever modern media production company you want) in a great many areas. 


But there are things that you can't do on a Kronos & a VS2480, there are times you need a full studio with many different musicians, different mics, different gear. 


That's what those guys who pay for ProTools (the big studios) are paying for. 


Sonar is awesome. & for most of us, it is the better choice. 

John


Everybody knows you can't slice cheese with an amateur cheese knife. You have to use a pro cheese knife. All the best chesses use Pro cheese knives.  Now, if you wish to do it right and upgrade I can sell you a proper pro cheese knife. We have an installment plan too. You will need it.  

Just to be clear, I'm not one of those guys. Sonar is a much better application for most of us, for what we want to do. They could give protools away & Sonar would be the better value at full price. 


But like I said, it depends on what you want to do & how you want to do it. 


I got an MBox2 pro several years ago. It came with ProTools 7.4 I've used it for maybe 20% of what I do. 


I just bought an ElevenRack. It came with ProTools 10. I'll most likely only use it as a GUI & librarian for the ElevenRack. 


I paid full price for Logic Studio 7 & recently I've upgraded to Logic Pro 9. ProTools doesn't float my boat (ten does look like a significant upgrade sine 7.4 so I might use it for more, who knows).  

But I do all my sequencing on a Roland sequencer. I track my audio to an AW4416.

But I have no illusions. & I don't need to stroke my ego. 

I think one of the reasons these discussions never go anywhere is that we're talking about totally different things. If someone mentions that in the audio recording industry Pro Tools is the standard, people will give examples pertaining to exceptions or to other fields and sub-categories altogether.

For exemple, Jim mentions his girlfriend, working on a radio show and doing her edits in Audition. I must admit that when I think of the recording industry, I'm not thinking about people accomplishing audio work, editing, cutting and splicing independently of other facilities. What they use is their concern only and it doesn't take away any of their professionalism.  

Here's my own take on that.

Some time ago my wife recorded at Avatar studio NY (w/ a recently deceased legendary producer) = Pro Tools
The sessions continued here at The Palm = Pro Tools
The guy who wrote the music was using = Pro Tools
His assistant was using = Logic for scoring AND Pro Tools
All the musicians involved in the project had rigs with = Pro Tools (one exception, a guy with DP)

That's what I mean when I say standard. Because the word standard somehow implies that there's a chain of people working together, exchanging, and that they use some of the same tools and methods.

That doesn't make PT any better and it may in fact not be the right tool for you and me under certain circumstances. But just because WE prefer other tools doesn't mean that PT is wrong or this or that. 

I still think they need a cartoon to go with the audio in that pro tools discussion. Like woody woodpecker or something. 

Someone said the right answer, and others added... but in cojunction it all comes down to this: 
It is HOW you use the software in production in addition to the the right mixing techniques along with the right gear not limited to the right mics, the right acoustics, the clean shielded cables, the right outboard gear like mic preamps, compressors, and then the plugins, the mixing, the way you cross-fade things, and finally the way you MASTER.   THE TOOLS ARE THERE in all the TOP DAWS >>  
All DAWS are DRY and CLEAN, sound the same and the math of analog to digital is slightly different but not enough for the human ear to detect.   EVERY DAW processes data equally and it is the plugins and mixing plus everything I mentioned above what makes the difference in how something sounds. 

Yes, Pro-tools is like branded words that actually stayed like "fridge"  from the brand Frigidaire, Q-tips, or band-aid from Johnson & Johnson. And forget Coke from Coca Cola in a different category not a word, but you get the point >>
 Pro-tools is here to stay and like someone said before, many studios have invested $1,000's in pro-tools rigs and engineers are tied up when change is never a good time to start a learning curve //  TIME IS $$$$   
Film companies stay AWAY from pro-tools; its just not versatile enough and its surround capabilities are limited. Digidesign/AVID is just starting to get their feet wet in that field and its not very intuitive or integrates well for many in the film industry.  

In the past, the advantage with pro-tools was related to CPU capacity in the era of slower computers, were they would be rigged up with outboard HD cards that took the processing load from your CPU, allowing the CPU to focus on the plugins and mastering with the actual "playback" of dozens of tracks being done outboard in the HD cards, then go thru the PC; the plugins render their effects whether applied or in real time playback, or even real time recording/monitoring... PRO-TOOLS OFFERED REALTIME hear thru the microphone LIVE any reverb, compressor, chorus, delay, etc... right thru the headphone monitors... RTAS real time audio suite.  Back then, DAWS at home could not do this yet, and Studios ready to buy the very fastest computers with the most RAM could still not compete with the stability of Pro-Tools who offered 24/7 tech support and they GUARANTEED A CERTAIN NUMBER OF TRACKS depending on how many HD Cards you had installed.  
It was guaranteed and they'd come see your setup if you're experiencing problems, they still do today.  Now, all that CPU inadequacy era was studios during the 90's thru the start of the millenium... Things started changing with faster computers, less HD cards needed, other DAWS started getting much more powerful because PCs could multitrack much more and handle many more plugins right on board with no external HD cards.  Processors went from Single core to Dual to Quad core to now (8 virtual cores) like the Core i7.  RAM went from SD-RAM to DDR1, then DDR2, finally DDR3;  each one twice as fast or more than the its predecessor. Hard drives went from 5,400RPM, 7,200RPM, 10,000RPM and now no hard disk at all, no moving parts, just a silent IMMEDIATE RETRIEVAL, IMMEDIATE RECORD/PLAYBACK solid state drive like FLASH memory. 

  NOW in this ERA by 2013, my PC is more powerful and can handle all that, let's compare it to a 1997 thru 2003  $40,000.US  pro-tools rig HD with 4 cards.. you could run about 100 tracks simultaneously, and plugins. 

NOW with a PC with a Core i7, 16GB, DDR3 RAM, a Solid state drive and a good audio interface with ASIO....  what can you do??? 
The same... about 100+ tracks and many many plugins all at once. 
It's over, we reached it, there are new bench marks set and we have finally reached the ability to record many tracks at once like a full band, each person in a different room with a different instrument, the Drums alone take 4-5 mics going each to a different track, all recorded separately plus playback at the same time of another 60-70 tracks running simultaneously with plugins and effects, with higher quality than ever, up to 192K recording with just a super fast 2,500 computer.  NO PRO TOOLS NEEDED, NO HD CARDS  
 Go!! Nuendo, Digital Performer, Logic, Cubase, Sonar and others..   Some are more simplified or easy to use (by people's opinion), some others integrate well with outside plugins or VST programs like Melodyne, Antares, or re-wire very well with reason, others are a little more complicated and don't play so well with certain add-ons or maybe glitchy, but they all do the same, yet some have shorter ways or (back alleys) shortcuts to doing things more efficiently and quicker and some have features that are stunning.  Sonar has a good balance of feature rich environment, ease of use, plays well with outside programs, Re-wire, VST and at the same time filmakers especially in the category of TV shows and series, as well as video games have a tendency to love Sonar and do all their work in it. Nuendo is on top as well.  
 
ITS A MATTER OF CHOICE 

vicsant


Everything you wanted to know about PT 11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6-rDi7t348

woow just watch it like going back in time to sonar 8-5. workspace , audimation lanes/. 64 bit old news here/