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2016/11/03 13:17:43
UbiquitousBubba
I didn't watch the video because...well, I didn't want to do it. That being said, it is always amazing to me how great a mediocre instrument sounds in the hands of a great musician. Rather than go off on a whine-fest about types of wood, pros and cons of various pickups, etc., some musicians might be better off focusing on improving their skills. We all know that the weakest part of any instrument is the empty space between the ears of its player. 
 
At least, that's what my drums keep telling me. 
2016/11/03 13:29:09
Mesh
<<<back to the drawing board....fervently practices on the theremin>>>>
2016/11/04 08:40:08
spacey
DrLumen
I'm not a guitar person but I could see how certain woods and finishes would affect acoustic instruments.
 
In electrics perhaps denser woods would sound brighter due to sympathetic resonance to the other strings resulting in more harmonics? I would not be surprised to find that a glass body guitar would sound different than a plywood guitar. In the end though doesn't it just come down to durability? Again, not a guitar person but a plywood body would concern me due to possible warping and strange effects based on temperature and humidity.
 
Oh well, I'm just running off at the mouth... much like the guy in the video.




I didn't want you nor your question to be ignored so I'll share some thoughts.
 
No it doesn't just come down to durability although that is a consideration. Oil finish is popular and as with most finishes offers some protection. 
I think 'stability' is much more important. Even if it is a well built guitar it still requires protective care by the owner- as we know. 
 
I enjoy talking with luthiers about woods- application of, wood grains, working with, and many other aspects that I find much more interesting than the old hat opinions about what percentage of this and that- a boring trip that gets to nowhere. 
I mean, a luthier examines the woods considered for a build- checking grain, weight, tap tone etc. and decides whether or not to use it. Cull- just use the best that feels right at that moment. It's not like it's known that that piece of wood is going to have a percentage of this or that to the overall results. It's a choice made of many factors by one trying to get the best they can from the materials at hand. 
 
One building few guitars a year that may be depending on them to sell can't afford to experiment or take unnecessary risks with material choices or methods/tools. Many of the woods used have a history of successful use. Not only for creating great sounding guitars but also appealing aesthetics. 
 
Unfortunately a lot of the woods with the appealing aesthetics are relatively expensive. There are many reasons that they are. 
Many of the woods have specific uses. That's easy to understand- a dense (heavy) wood that is oily may be perfect for an unfinished fretboard, opposed to a Maple fretboard that one would want a protective finish, but it may not be the best choice for a body/neck.
 
Balance is another important aspect. Combinations of commonly used woods and design are other important considerations. 
 
Wood grain, how the wood was cut, (flatsawn, etc) 
 
I won't go on...I only wanted to share examples of why I find conversing about "percentage of this and that" so damn boring. 
 
I would think it would be best for many to just keep it "magical". I mean; We know we can go into a store and play all of the Strats hanging on the wall, all made with the same type of woods, all with the same everything and find out that there is that one...the one that is different for unknown reasons. Unknown to the ones that built it and unknown to the ones that play it. It's magic. It's a part of building that I love. I do everything to the best of my abilities with no guarantees. It's when I plug it in and find out...wow, like magic. It somehow all came together and made this fantastic instrument. Now "stability" comes in. If I do my part and take care of it, it'll perform for many years. 
I have to say...sometimes, and fortunately for me, I've only had to backup and rewind pups twice to help correct a couple that for whatever reason...just weren't quite singing. Nice thing about an electric...one may have options to make it better. 
I've also had weird ones. Nothing magical at all and if there was magic is was black. Gave me nothing but trouble from start to finish. Had to fight with every little part to the point of wanting to trash it...but I couldn't give up and finally rewarded. Luck. My magic was stronger I reckon. 
 
Well maybe I answered your question Doc and maybe some understand why I find their "tone" opinions so boring. With no offense meant of course.
2016/11/04 17:40:01
Mosvalve
spacey
 I also don't like it when people post that kind of crap and don't say anything...as if it matters what I think. pfftt
 
  


Spacey, You directed this statement to me. Don't shoot the messenger my friend. My post has become informative by  posts like yours so it's a good thing. These things need to be debunked. I didn't post this because I believe everything this guy said. I just want to correct the record. 
2016/11/04 19:13:55
spacey
Mosvalve
spacey
 I also don't like it when people post that kind of crap and don't say anything...as if it matters what I think. pfftt
 
  


Spacey, You directed this statement to me. Don't shoot the messenger my friend. My post has become informative by  posts like yours so it's a good thing. These things need to be debunked. I didn't post this because I believe everything this guy said. I just want to correct the record. 




Yes I did. I have a right to speak up about things I don't like. You posted a controversial video and said nothing. 
I would rather know your intentions, thoughts up front so if I had anything to say to you I'd know where you stood. At least you finally spoke up about it. You don't say anything what do expect people to think? 
I didn't watch it. The title told me enough about his intentions. Now I know yours. You haven't had anything to say about his thoughts you just wanted somebody else to debunk them. Ok. Now I know. 
 
2016/11/04 19:54:30
Mosvalve
spacey
Mosvalve
spacey
 I also don't like it when people post that kind of crap and don't say anything...as if it matters what I think. pfftt
 
  


Spacey, You directed this statement to me. Don't shoot the messenger my friend. My post has become informative by  posts like yours so it's a good thing. These things need to be debunked. I didn't post this because I believe everything this guy said. I just want to correct the record. 




Yes I did. I have a right to speak up about things I don't like. You posted a controversial video and said nothing. 
I would rather know your intentions, thoughts up front so if I had anything to say to you I'd know where you stood. At least you finally spoke up about it. You don't say anything what do expect people to think? 
I didn't watch it. The title told me enough about his intentions. Now I know yours. You haven't had anything to say about his thoughts you just wanted somebody else to debunk them. Ok. Now I know. 
 


Wow so just by the title you formed your opinion of the video and me. That's what people don't like. If I had voiced an opinion of you based on your avatar or name you obviously find that acceptable. Interesting. 
2016/11/04 21:38:34
spacey
Mosvalve
spacey
Mosvalve
spacey
 I also don't like it when people post that kind of crap and don't say anything...as if it matters what I think. pfftt
 
  


Spacey, You directed this statement to me. Don't shoot the messenger my friend. My post has become informative by  posts like yours so it's a good thing. These things need to be debunked. I didn't post this because I believe everything this guy said. I just want to correct the record. 




Yes I did. I have a right to speak up about things I don't like. You posted a controversial video and said nothing. 
I would rather know your intentions, thoughts up front so if I had anything to say to you I'd know where you stood. At least you finally spoke up about it. You don't say anything what do expect people to think? 
I didn't watch it. The title told me enough about his intentions. Now I know yours. You haven't had anything to say about his thoughts you just wanted somebody else to debunk them. Ok. Now I know. 
 


Wow so just by the title you formed your opinion of the video and me. That's what people don't like. If I had voiced an opinion of you based on your avatar or name you obviously find that acceptable. Interesting. 



You're confused. 
 
My post #5  clearly addressed the title of the video. Why I thought it was complete BS. Read the third line.
Yes I formed an opinion about that title. It was bad enough I had no intention of spending my time listening or watching anything else he had. 
 
I also stated I didn't like the way you posted. You didn't say anything so I didn't know if you were or weren't in agreement with it. 
 
 
If that doesn't clear things up for you...sorry, there's nothing more I can say. It's all here in print and I believe it is as clear as I can make it. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
2016/11/04 22:44:39
Mosvalve
spacey
Mosvalve
spacey
Mosvalve
spacey
 I also don't like it when people post that kind of crap and don't say anything...as if it matters what I think. pfftt
 
  


Spacey, You directed this statement to me. Don't shoot the messenger my friend. My post has become informative by  posts like yours so it's a good thing. These things need to be debunked. I didn't post this because I believe everything this guy said. I just want to correct the record. 




Yes I did. I have a right to speak up about things I don't like. You posted a controversial video and said nothing. 
I would rather know your intentions, thoughts up front so if I had anything to say to you I'd know where you stood. At least you finally spoke up about it. You don't say anything what do expect people to think? 
I didn't watch it. The title told me enough about his intentions. Now I know yours. You haven't had anything to say about his thoughts you just wanted somebody else to debunk them. Ok. Now I know. 
 


Wow so just by the title you formed your opinion of the video and me. That's what people don't like. If I had voiced an opinion of you based on your avatar or name you obviously find that acceptable. Interesting. 



You're confused. 
 
My post #5  clearly addressed the title of the video. Why I thought it was complete BS. Read the third line.
Yes I formed an opinion about that title. It was bad enough I had no intention of spending my time listening or watching anything else he had. 
 
I also stated I didn't like the way you posted. You didn't say anything so I didn't know if you were or weren't in agreement with it. 
 
 
If that doesn't clear things up for you...sorry, there's nothing more I can say. It's all here in print and I believe it is as clear as I can make it. 
 
 
 
 
 
 


I don't know why you take this thread so personal. If you watched the video you will find not everything he said is false. I don't know what this guys motive is nor do I care. I posted this for information. Be it wrong or right is for the individual to decide. I think I'm done here. It's a shame you got yourself all worked up over this. there are more important things to stress over. 
2016/11/05 08:57:47
spacey

"I don't know why you take this thread so personal. If you watched the video you will find not everything he said is false. I don't know what this guys motive is nor do I care. I posted this for information. Be it wrong or right is for the individual to decide. I think I'm done here. It's a shame you got yourself all worked up over this. there are more important things to stress over. " BobV




"personal", "stressed", "worked up over this"....you've misread everything I've written and now you've misread me. You've made it point to confront me and send this south. You've also convinced me that I was wrong-  posting the video and you not saying anything was probably the best way to do it. 
 
I know I'm done here. 
 
 
 
 
2016/11/05 14:27:29
ampfixer
I blame Trump.
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