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2013/10/20 11:52:27
Grem
indravayu
As a guitarist, this thread depresses me.


Some just don't possess the talent. Some will never have the ability no matter how hard they try.

I think he has a great idea as far as the drag and drop thing. If I was a programmer I'd be on this.
2013/10/20 13:07:58
rontarrant
Thanks for all the feedback and ideas, guys. Lots to research and try out.
 
Note to the cringing guitarists: My apologies, guys. I'm a guitarist, too and it pains me that I can hear what I want in my head, but don't have the skills to record it. I thought of asking a guitarist to jump in and do a track, but I'm not sure if I could get it across or not.
-Ron T.
2013/10/20 13:15:24
ampfixer
I remember an interview with Frank Zappa. HE said that he only hired musicians to do the things he couldn't do himself. That's why he had Steve Vai in his band.
 
A man's got to know his limitations.
2013/10/20 14:54:42
bapu
ampfixer
I remember an interview with Frank Zappa. HE said that he only hired musicians to do the things he couldn't do himself. That's why he had Steve Vai in his band.
 
A man's got to know his limitations.


And Jean Lu Ponty
And Flo and Eddie
And Peter Wolf
And
And
And
 
2013/10/20 17:39:17
slartabartfast
I am a bit confused. You seem to be looking for something that will play a guitar the way you would like to play it, but you lack the technical skills. That sounds like you just need to step record or write a midi track in piano roll or  staff view. You do not need any special VST device to do that. Of course you are then subject to the limits of sampled or simulated/modeled guitar on a softsynth or rompler, but with enough work you can probably get a very good sounding electric or a passable sounding acoustic guitar.
 
If you have no idea what you want the guitar to do, but are looking for the computer to compose something for you...good luck.
2013/10/20 18:11:14
mettelus
Which version of SONAR are you running? Reason I asked was the "flip side" to my comment earlier... I came across a video on Celemony's site last week where they did something similar to what you are asking. It was titled "Guitar in the Style of Tom Morello" and it under the "Tutorials" tab... http://www.celemony.com/cms/index.php?id=videos If you have X3, then you might want to check that video out.
 
What was interesting about this video was... the person played essentially the same note to the "pace" of the solo... and threw in a few bends and other "rhythmic elements." They then took this solo in Melodyne Editor (I believe) and tweaked it in some *extreme* ways. It started out as just a handful of notes being played to the pace of the solo pretty much.
 
Now the "flip side" to my earlier comment... I had a musician friend over when I was watching that video and I began laughing.... when they asked why, I said "What they just created is impossible to actually play!"
 
LOL... even in the video they said something like "For the end part ... phrase that sounds almost impossible to play."
 
Edit: I had to watch that again to get another chuckle... they even put a little sound bite at the end running the final product through Guitar Rig's wah.
2013/10/21 06:14:28
rontarrant
ampfixer
I remember an interview with Frank Zappa. HE said that he only hired musicians to do the things he couldn't do himself. That's why he had Steve Vai in his band.
 
A man's got to know his limitations.


I agree whole-heartedly. Although, I suppose one could make a strong argument for pushing one's limits as well.
2013/10/21 06:18:41
rontarrant
slartabartfastI am a bit confused. You seem to be looking for something that will play a guitar the way you would like to play it, but you lack the technical skills.

It doesn't sound to me like you're confused.
slartabartfastThat sounds like you just need to step record or write a midi track in piano roll or  staff view.

I've done this in the past; I was hoping to find a faster way, is all.
slartabartfastIf you have no idea what you want the guitar to do, but are looking for the computer to compose something for you...good luck.

Okay, now you sound confused.
2013/10/21 06:43:23
rontarrant
mettelusWhich version of SONAR are you running?

X1, unfortunately...  Or NOT so unfortunately, depending on your POV.
 
mettelusthe person played essentially the same note to the "pace" of the solo... and threw in a few bends and other "rhythmic elements." They then took this solo in Melodyne Editor (I believe) and tweaked it in some *extreme* ways. It started out as just a handful of notes being played to the pace of the solo pretty much.

Something similar could be done with DSP, couldn't it? It might not be as accurate, but after running it through an amp plugin, it might sound reasonable at least.
2013/10/21 09:08:11
Tom Riggs
If you can play what you hear in your head slower. Then play it that tempo and then speed it up.
 
I think you could do this with Audio Snap as long as you are prepared to do the work.
 
I would export a mix to a new project. Import it into a new project set to the same tempo as the project you are working on. Then enable AS on the imported clip. set AS to follow project tempo. Then just slow down the tempo of the project and practice till you can play it at that tempo. 
 
You could practice speeding it up till you find your limit. Then record your guitar track.
comp if necessary. Then bounce the comped track to a new track. 
Enable AS on this new track and set it to follow the tempo. Then change the project tempo back to the original.
 
if this all works then you can bounce the new sped up track to another track and then export that track to import into your original project.
 
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