• SONAR
  • Why are the VERY basic midi parameters in arrangement view missing in the X series? (p.2)
2013/10/22 10:59:27
chuckebaby
try looking at this
http://www.cakewalk.com/Documentation/default.aspx?Doc=SONAR%20X3&Lang=EN&Req=Playback.34.html
 
see where it says strips ?
you may be able to add transpose, exc.
2013/10/22 11:10:46
brundlefly
I'm often with the chorus that say "get used to it; the new way works just as well or better",  but I'll beg to differ this time around for a couple of reasons:
 
1. Track widget selection is customizable, and I see no reason why the Bakers couldn't make Time and Pitch Offset available for those who want them.
 
2. Since Pitch Offset moved to the Inspector, it's no longer possible to select all MIDI tracks and make a group change to the Pitch Offset to transpose the whole project. The widget in Inspector doesn't honor quick-grouping. I filed a feature request on this quite a while ago.
2013/10/22 11:11:24
scook
Kewl Hendagang
 How can I have them here and handy to quickly do all of the basic manipulation ?


Here is how
2013/10/22 13:48:36
Kewl Hendagang
brundlefly
I'm often with the chorus that say "get used to it; the new way works just as well or better",  but I'll beg to differ this time around for a couple of reasons:
 
1. Track widget selection is customizable, and I see no reason why the Bakers couldn't make Time and Pitch Offset available for those who want them.
 
2. Since Pitch Offset moved to the Inspector, it's no longer possible to select all MIDI tracks and make a group change to the Pitch Offset to transpose the whole project. The widget in Inspector doesn't honor quick-grouping. I filed a feature request on this quite a while ago.


Yes it's seems to be an odd step backward, it was perfectly done prior to the track inspector thing.
Those are such basic controls, why hide them like that.
2013/10/22 15:10:22
John
Brundlefy its a bug that prevents us from doing a global change of MIDI parameters.
 
 
 
2013/10/22 15:16:25
John
I should add I like the MIDI parameters being in the track Inspector. It was a feature request of mine.  
2013/10/22 15:41:05
brundlefly
I treated it as a Feature Request because it's not included in the list of parameters that can be quick-grouped. If something's not advertised to work, I don't consider it a bug that it doesn't.
2013/10/22 15:54:30
brian brock
this is another instance of a core change in the X-series of Sonar - options have been removed to simplify the initial experience of using the software.  It's fine to have that simplification, but those options should have been merely made default-off, rather than removed entirely.
 
Other examples: no user-customizable panel in the toolbar and removed functions from the toolbar, simplification of takes in shift from track layers to lanes, phase / interleave buttons removed from track view and put into only track inspector.
2013/10/22 16:12:42
Mystic38
in your opinion they may be "basic controls".. but that is simply your opinion...and not tested or supported by any valid data...
 
My personal data point is that I use midi in each and every project, and have done so from home studio 5 thru to Sonar 8.5.3 and x1-x3 and never once have I used transpose or timeshift...so to me,my opinion is that they are not basic at all.. while pan, volume, and velocity? yup that is the basic set.
 
 
Kewl Hendagang
brundlefly
I'm often with the chorus that say "get used to it; the new way works just as well or better",  but I'll beg to differ this time around for a couple of reasons:
 
1. Track widget selection is customizable, and I see no reason why the Bakers couldn't make Time and Pitch Offset available for those who want them.
 
2. Since Pitch Offset moved to the Inspector, it's no longer possible to select all MIDI tracks and make a group change to the Pitch Offset to transpose the whole project. The widget in Inspector doesn't honor quick-grouping. I filed a feature request on this quite a while ago.


Yes it's seems to be an odd step backward, it was perfectly done prior to the track inspector thing.
Those are such basic controls, why hide them like that.




again, its your opinion that they are basic controls.. should they be capable of being grouped? of course.. do they deserve front and centre billing on a midi track?.. I don't think so.
2013/10/22 17:51:30
stevec
+1...   I've used the transpose option a few times over the years, and never the timeshift.  So for me, where they exist is pefectly fine and I'd wager many others probably fall into the same boat.
 
That said...  I'm all for customizable widgets in the track view, including Phase and Interleave for those that just don't like their current location.   I would imagine these are far from the most important things on the list, but since we now have track colors we may as well slowly and steadily continue on the customization path.  While maintaining the "X factor", of course.   
 
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