• SONAR
  • Loving X3. If my old projects would only import properly. Problem Report ignored by CW...
2013/10/17 03:08:46
LJB
Really enjoying X3. I'd just really really like Cakewalk to let me know how to handle my old projects crashing on opening in X3, as well as Blueverb settings being recalled all wrong. They acknowledged my problem report, but nothing further.
 
What's happening Bakers?
2013/10/17 08:06:36
Mystic38
x3 does open old projects, so the chances are that there is something lurking in that old project that is causing some sort of issue... Suggest to get it open and started is to use safe mode.. hold down the "shift" key when selecting the project and it will prompt in turn for each VST
2013/10/17 09:32:13
LJB
Mystic, obviously something is lurking in the system. I expect CW to assist. Simple as that :O)
2013/10/17 10:11:14
Tom Riggs
I would suggest you email tech support. The problem reporter will not get you in contact with tech support. You can of course send you crbn number in you email to help them understand your issue.
 
For quicker help calling is better however if you have to call internationally I understand that can be a problem.
2013/10/17 10:56:46
John T
Tom Riggs
The problem reporter will not get you in contact with tech support.

Indeed not. I'm pretty sure it tells you that when you submit a problem too.
2013/10/17 10:57:56
Ryan Munnis [Cakewalk]
I know we're a bit backed up with volume right now, but nothing was ignored. Regarding the Blueverb report, the report was updated same day with the suggestion to contact support. Exact history from the report:
  • 10/8/2013 12:28:54 PM - Status Changed to: Contact Tech Support.   Note: Received and processed by Cakewalk
  • 10/8/2013 9:35:16 AM - Status Changed to: New, by AutoBake 3000   Note: Details submitted
  • 10/8/2013 9:31:33 AM - Status Changed to: Created, by AutoBake 3000   Note: Report Created
Anytime someone updates a report to "Contact Tech Support", the reasoning is because we believe we can help.  The moment we set that status, an email is sent containing instructions for how to open a ticket with Tech Support. Ultimately we pull it out of the Problem Reporter so QA and Dev don't kill us for flooding their bucket with stuff Tech Support can assist with. There was a time when the Problem Reporter was basically an open inbox for everyone to speak to at will, and trust me, it made things infinitely more difficult for bug tracking. I guess the rule of thumb to remember is that the Problem Reporter is for reporting bugs, Technical Support is for getting assistance.
 
Anyhow, maybe you can give us some details on what's going on with Blueverb and we can see if we can help? The report was a bit short of details. Are you using Blueverb's preset manager or the VST preset manager? What steps are you taking that cause the preset to be lost?
 
 
In regards to the other reports...
 
Guys, fault reports are automated. We don't reply to them directly. There's a huge blurp about this on the reports. It reads like this:
 
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Thank You for Submitting Your Fault Report!


We appreciate you taking the time to send us your Fault Report. We're sorry you have run into a crash. Using this information we will work our hardest to make improvements and provide our customers with the best products possible. 

What happens next? 

When you submitted the report details, a .dmp file generated at the time of the crash was also sent to us behind the scenes. This file will be run through an automated debugging system that will analyze whether or not the crash was related to something faulting in your Cakewalk program or whether or not it was from a third-party plug-in, utility or hardware device. 

Using this information we can then isolate stability issues with aspects of the Cakewalk program as well as notify third-party companies of compatibility issues. 

PLEASE NOTE: 

This is an automated system that is used for isolating and resolving stability issues. Should our developers require additional information, they will update the report with any questions and contact you via the provided email address. Please understand that you may not receive a reply unless further information is needed or the issue is resolved. 

Also, please note that this form is NOT for Technical Support and is not reviewed by our Technical Support staff. Should you require Technical Support, however, we encourage you to contact our team so they can assist you directly. 

Thank you once again for your support, and thank you for choosing Cakewalk!
 
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We can dig into the reports if someone gives us the CWBRN numbers, but humans aren't processing these manually. Actually, for a time I was personally processing them, and I'm convinced that's why my fingers still hurt to this day ;) . I'd love to say it's from being a beast on guitar, but the truth is it's from a QWERTY keyboard :(
 
I know there's always room where we can improve and I wish everything we did was seamless, super quick, and as automated as possible (where necessary). Try to remember though that we're a small company with a small support team. While we try our best to reach out to customers, but often times we have to prioritize the ones reaching out to us first. If you're wondering about fault reports, give us a ring or shoot us an email and we'll see if there's any useful info we can extract from them that we can pass along to you. Anyhow, I have some updates in mind that will more easily return info to customers when the report is processed but in the meantime it's mainly a system for us collecting info internally so we can hit the biggest crash offenders. 
 
I just took a look at the fault reports processed so far from you and they're all citing Cronus.dll (V-Vocal) as the crash. Have you tried safe mode to open the project and disable your plug-ins? You can do this by holding down the SHIFT key when opening the project (make sure SONAR is already opened when doing this). When it asks if you'd like to load "Cronus", say no
 
Are these crashes all happening with the same project by the way? The crash is happening before the project loads so it's not listing a project name. I'm curious if V-Vocal crashes in a new project as well or if it's specific to one in particular.
 
2013/10/17 11:40:24
stevec
Wow, nice follow up Ryan. 
 
 
2013/10/17 12:34:35
LJB
Hi Ryan,
 
thanks for the reply. I appreciate you guys are swamped as it is a new build etc, but we are all professionals here trying to keep our businesses rolling forward. Mine is 100% reliant on yours though :O)


Herewith the last communication I received from CW on 08 October 2013:


Hello Ludwig Bouwer,
Thank you for contacting Cakewalk Technical Support. We have received your question and will reply as soon as possible.
Thank you for choosing Cakewalk!
Best Regards,
Cakewalk Technical Support
617-423-9021
http://www.cakewalk.com


As you can see, I did follow the instructions and did send a proper email to Tech as you requested.
 

To sum up, the Blueverb issue, aside from the other issue of not opening many of my old X2a projects, is this:


In X2a 32bit I used Blueverb 1.1 - and I used it alot.
 
In X3b 64 bit two problems occur:

1) Blueverb 4.* is not recalled with the correct parameters as it should be in the mix. 2) the presets I saved in X2a are visible, but they will not recall either.


I hope that makes it a bit clearer. Looking forward to your response.
 
Best regards and much appreciation for the great DAW.
 
Ludwig
2013/10/22 15:05:56
Ryan Munnis [Cakewalk]
I'm doing a poor job of responding. Sorry for such a delay.
 
Is this the same computer? Did you create custom presets? If so, did you overwrite the old preset names directly?
 
Looks like BlueVerb saves programs/presets to C:\Users\~USERNAME~\Documents\Nomad Factory\Plug-in Settings\BlueVerb DRV-2080
 
Could it be that the installer overwrote old files? (What's the Date Modified timestamp listed as?)
 
If I manually remove a custom preset in that folder via Windows Explorer, SONAR still loads the project with the saved settings. The preset, however, disappears so using the built in Preset manager will lose the setting if I switch to another preset.
 
What I'm not sure about is what would happen if you overwrote the name of a factory preset with the same name and that got pulled out from underneath you with the installer (if that is what happened).
 
What happens if you open the projects up in X2a? Are the presets gone there as well?
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