• SONAR
  • Event List Behavior (p.3)
2017/12/27 17:57:34
jyoung60
michael diemer
I agree about the Steinberg forum. Nowhere near as helpful as this place. I have also noticed that the activity here is starting to die down. After the announcement, people were really circling the wagons. Now, with folks moving on, you can see the difference. I was spending like an hour here after the announcement, now i't more like 20 minutes. Sad. This has always been my favorite forum, even during my elopement with Reaper. (I'm now re-engaging with Studio 8.5. Producer was messed up for some reason, maybe a bad install disc).




I can relate to this on a couple levels.  Mostly the level where I was the admin for a software forum in the early 2000s (Bearshare), and it was a jumpin' place for 5 years until the company shut down.  So I opened a refugee forum for all the Bearshare users, called Technutopia.  That place ran for almost 12 years, but the momentum died out in the first few because the Bearshare users moved on to other softwares, and the purpose of my forum was lost.
 
So yeah, here we go again. A great place for support and to make friends, and *poof* ... ... ...
2017/12/27 20:33:43
michael diemer
jyoung60
 
 
I can relate to this on a couple levels.  Mostly the level where I was the admin for a software forum in the early 2000s (Bearshare), and it was a jumpin' place for 5 years until the company shut down.  So I opened a refugee forum for all the Bearshare users, called Technutopia.  That place ran for almost 12 years, but the momentum died out in the first few because the Bearshare users moved on to other softwares, and the purpose of my forum was lost.
 
So yeah, here we go again. A great place for support and to make friends, and *poof* ... ... ...




Yep, looks like the end of an era. Nothing lasts forever. Like any loss, you grieve and move on, remembering the good times, the Halcyon days of yore...
2017/12/31 00:24:13
jsg
Cactus Music
The thing is, I don't think anybody uses the event list for editing. Everything can be done in the PRV. 
The event list is from the most early versions of Cakewalk. It is not even included with Home Studio. 
Other options are drawing a CC10 event in PRV or the audio / instrument track. 




It's a wonder where people form their opinions from.  The event list exists in every DAW I know, including DP. Sonar, Cubase, Pro Tools, Reaper and Logic.   I do much of my editing in the event list, actually more copying and pasting than editing, but editing as well.  Where else can you place patch changes and controller changes and actually see exactly where the event is being placed and which notes it immediately impacts?   I've used the event list for 25 years in Sonar and now use it extensively in DP.   If the PRV serves you, great, use it.  But the event list is a very powerful editing tool in a DAW, so you're probably wrong about how many people use it.  Also, for precise editing of volume envelopes, the event list is a good place to insert volume changes on fractions of a beat, which you can also do by right-clicking on the volume node properties screen.   If you can do that in PRV, go for it.
 
Jerry
www.jerrygerber.com
 
2017/12/31 00:26:49
jsg
michael diemer
Always wondered why this happens. Maybe someone can tell me, before this forum dies! Sometimes when I look at volumes that I have put in the Event List, they have repositioned themselves, so that the volume event I originally put in at 98.01.00, has now "moved", such that it now occurs after the first note of that measure, instead of before it, where it belongs. You can't make it be before the note; you have to delete it, and put in a new CC event. It may have to do with having deleted notes, or copying them to that track. Just wondering if anyone else has ever noticed this, and figured out how to make it not happen. Not a big deal, but if there's a fix it would be great to know. I'm one of those who plan to keep using Sonar as long as possible. In my case, 8.5 Studio.




I haven't seen that happen, but Sonar does move notes that are, say, at 2:04:001 to 2:04:00.  I put them after any relevant controller and patch changes that I want to be certain will effect the notes right near the entries, so I move notes a tick or later in time.   DP's event list, fortunately, does not do this, it keeps things where they are, at least so far I haven't found a problem.
 
Jerry
www.jerrygerber.com
 
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