markyzno
I just noticed in the OP, the sig states Win XP SP3....
 
Can Vladasyn please change the sig to update the OS accordingly.....?
 
Anyway, my advice still applies about device manager and USB devices.

Vlada has multiple computers.  One is running XP, and the one she is having these troubles with is running Windows 8 x64.
 
Bob Bone
 

Ok, thank you for your replies. I should delete the 2nd part of my signature as I don't use that workstation anymore. I did not realize it did not say- I am on Windows 8, 64 bit. Thought- everyone would assume it, seeing 3770K, but it could be Win. 7.
 
It is Windows 8.
 
I like complicated systems. This is what I do- I work on supporting my system more than on making music. lol. It is a full time job.
 
I don't think there are too many issues. The only reason you would not have issues is if you not installing anything new.
 
As I stated earlier- when computer attempts to boot from USB device, it would not give me the Windows Logo, and it would not attempt to "Repair Windows". When it tries to boot from USB- it would remain Black screen with white text. But it gives me Windows logo, then loop, then it wants to repair itself. But I may have to take a look in to booting. How do I exclude USB devices from Boot menu? In BIOS it offers a list of drives and if I click on it, it starts booting from what ever I click on. There are some "Boot Overwrite" settings that have all kinds of configurations in them- I don't understand them. I have 5 Drives connected- 2 HDD, 2 SSD and 1 USB 3.0. 
 
Beepster, I always turn on all my USB and FireWire devices before I start Windows. They need to be on to be detected by Windows. Yes, I can leave Maschine unplugged, and plug when I use it, after Windows boot- this is what I do now. BUT: once I forgot to unplug it and it caused real havoc, as after it failed to load Windows and went trough restart loop, it kicked out all USB ports- Sonar would not recognize anything, till I restarted several times. I have over 10 USB devices connected, so I can not afford any instability. I want hardware work as it supposed to, no excuses. Everybody turning on before windows, but this one- after? If every my device would have personal conditions to turn on, I would never get to work. I cant remember what needs to go first and when. I finish my work at 3 am in the morning- I can't remember to unplug Maschine. I like to fix this problem and know why it doing it.

Vlada - my earlier point is that you have made so many changes to all kinds of things that it is really a mess to try to figure out where things stand, and that is why I suggested reloading Windows, after backing up any data files you wish to retain.
 
The assistance posts are all over the place, and you have a computer that I believe is not booting at all at this point, or if it is booting, Windows is certainly not starting.  As pointed out, some of the posts are not even accurate.
 
You had a working computer at one point, so I believe you could get back to that point, without Maschine, create a system restore point, then load Maschine back in, and if it goofs things up, restore to the system restore point you created when all was working prior to messing with Maschine.
 
I believe at this point it likely has taken far more time to wade through this mess than it would have taken to just reload the computer.
 
The software for downloading from YouTube is called the YTD Video Downloader, and you can find it on downloads.com
 
Bob Bone
 
 
 

markyzno
*whispers*
 
This thread really does smell of "TOO MUCH TINKERING"

Okay, that's what I thought. Just a lot of big werds and fancy book lerner stuff going on and thought maybe it made sense to all the smart folks.
 
I'm all for being inquisitive and adventurous when it comes to system fiddling but you gotta a) do your research BEFORE beginning and b) have an escape route or multiple escape routes (*cough* system image *cough*). BIOS stuff? Well that is getting into dangerous territory but AFAIK newer and perhaps older BIOS utilities have reset functions so hopefully that can restored too... but IDK.
 
Vlad, you have learned quite a bit through all these adventures. If at all possible just go back and start over. It will make more sense the second time around and you'll probably find a large percentage of the tweaks you made were unnecessary. Start, create an image, test, create a restore point, tweak if need be, repeat. Keep track of your restore points and give them names that makes sense (and up the disc space available for restore points or you will the older ones as you go along... there is for some stupid reason no way to save restore points).
 
Once you find a set up that works for you create another image. That way if something goes wrong you can can go back to the very first image you made (just installed windows and updated all system drivers like USB, network, BIOS, video card, etc), second image you made (just installed basic function programs like a browser, AV, PDF reader for manuals, crap like that that is needed for basic functions), then a third with your most essential audio stuff installed (interface drivers, Sonar). Now you have clean slates to go to. THEN start adding your other device drivers and testing things out. Go nuts. Abuse the hell out of the system. Use restore points during these tests until you get things running smoothly with everything you will be using regularly and create a final image.
 
It may sound like a pain but by having all those images and making use of restore points as you fiddle around will pretty much guarantee that if you can't resist poking around the dark corners of your system you will always have an easy path back to safe territory.
 
You can use can use Windows recovery for all this (but not with XP or earlier) or get a program called Acronis True Image (which I think you have to pay for) or Macrium Reflect (which has a free version that is suitable for this type of thing and I've used successfully).
 
BIOS however is a tricky beast and AFAIK will not be affected by images so if you screw up your BIOS you have to take different methods to fix it. Also I think that Windows and the images/restore points you create will be effected by the BIOS so if you have a screwed up BIOS those images may be worthless... but I am not sure about that.
 
This perhaps seems preachy or redundant but the types of things you have been doing to your system can have dire consequences and it all seems to be spinning out of control for you. Not good. You should be making music.
 
Good luck.

So if I read that correctly you have ten devices that are constantly running and connected all at once for the convenience of being able to use whichever one you want on a whim (which is cool). If this is bogging down your system, creating conflicts or causing general mayhem that makes the system unusable perhaps it would be more convenient to keep things limited to a few crucial devices then adding the others when the whim strikes.
 
Also how are all these devices connected? Are you using a hub? That could cause problems itself.
 
There used to be a really low limitation for the amount of MIDI devices but that has been resolved in later versions of Windows or so I've been told but definitely something to keep an eye on because there is still indeed a limit and with that many devices I could see it being hit rather easily.
 
The other thing is certain device drivers do NOT respond well to being moved around from port to port. This comes up fairly often. When you install a MIDI device plug it into a port for the install and keep it plugged into that port to avoid problems. Even if you disconnect it to use another device on that port make sure you use that same port for the original device.
 
Write it all down if you have to.
 
Yes, I agree that things should work better but the thing is computer technology, with all it has achieved in the few short decades the consumer market has had access to it, is still developing. It ain't Star Trek time yet and we have to take the quirkiness of hardware, programs and operating systems that have all been developed by separate entities into account as we approach things.
 
That is exactly why forums like this exist. If everything was truly plug and play and bug free we'd all just be making music and/or getting laid every waking hour instead of blathering on about these things here.
 
I hope you get it all working to your liking. I can only really provide philosophical advice from here on out. Cheers.

ok, so here we've devolved into a blame the user thread...
i think we all know how we feel when sonar support does that to us.
jk (sorta)/js
 
anyway, vlada - you said
"As I stated earlier- when computer attempts to boot from USB device, it would not give me the Windows Logo, and it would not attempt to "Repair Windows". When it tries to boot from USB- it would remain Black screen with white text. But it gives me Windows logo, then loop, then it wants to repair itself. But I may have to take a look in to booting. How do I exclude USB devices from Boot menu? "
 
this reeks of the part about the uefi bios cms boot i was talking about.  i have usb sticks that i use to boot from for disk imaging and a usb recovery external drive, but i need to change my bios from uefi to cms boot to use either of them because uefi refuses to recognize them as bootable.  the problem is, if i try to boot to windows in cms mode i get some of the issues you describe.  this is a pain in the a$$ for real.  
 
and i kind of agree with that bob that maybe you should consider wiping your system at some point.  i know installing komplete takes forever, but i made backups of all the install files to a drive if i ever have to do it again - i would recommend that highly.
 
 

The assistance posts are all over the place, and you have a computer that I believe is not booting at all at this point, or if it is booting, Windows is certainly not starting.  

 
I appreciate everybody's involvement and contribution to this thread. Some time if exact solution is not offered, time talking about it is productive thinking environment that inspires creative solutions.
 
I would like to clarify that at this point, computer is working great. I do not have any issues with Windows loading when Maschine is not connected, so I can use computer any time. I also do not have problems with BIOS any more (so far). I reset CMOS jumper, it cleared memory. then I ran version update and now it loads on demand when I want it by pressing F2 when prompted. Therefore, reinstalling Windows is not necessary at this time. The ONLY problem at this time is Restart Loop when Windows loading with Maschine connected.
 
I did not make that many changes. I do not overclock. I do not change voltage. I do not change anything I do not understand. Like- I do not understand "Boot Overwrite" settings and I don't mass with it. I did see something "USB" under "Option A" for boot overwrite- not sure what that for. Restore points are good. I hope- it is enabled- have to check. But my music is on separate drive. The hardest thing to reinstall would be the plugins and libraries for plugins. And, yes, I know about not changing USB drives, also it is unnoying. Novation Launchkey controller: it has no drivers coming with it. First time I connected it in front USB, thinking I will move it later- not the case. Now it hardly recognized in the back. You would hear sound when you connect it but Sonar would not see it. I am thinking- it should be able to install it on any ports as on first one. Most USB devices are self-powered- they plug in to wall and do not use USB for power, only data transmission. They are my keyboards- I need them any time- I would not want to restart Sonar just to get to them. Sonar is not always feels when something hot-plugged.  
 
Swamptooth, I never had to change bios from uefi to cms boot because I did not need to boot from USB. So I would assume- it is in UEFI now. So it would not even be able to boot from Maschine, if Maschine was boot USB device. So that excludes this theory. I see you use M-Audio Fast Track Ultra. Please, tell me- it works in Windows 8! I bought Presonus StudioLive 24, so Ultra is preserved for live events because they did not have Win. 8 driver. Which driver do you use? I think- I may add another USB device! (And- it is not a USB hub, I have 4 ports card connected to Motherboard. I am actually out of USB sockets on motherboard. I have 1 left- can use it for 2 more ports card. Too bad ASIO is only one device at a time. Bummer. But I am about to build CustoMac and need to use M-Audio with it.

I'm not sure about system restore but you can most certainly include any extra drives on your system when creating a system image. Programs like Acronis and Macrium Reflect are supposedly more reliable for this purpose though so perhaps take a look at works best for your needs.
 
Unfortunately, as I'm sure you know, creating an image is a much more lengthy process and requires more hard drive space to accomplish but is definitely worth it as images are more reliable and complete. You will however lose any new files so be sure to back up any new data before restoring from image then simply copy those files back as needed.
 
Again you probably know this but just making sure.
 
You may also want to consider giving StudioCat or ADK a call to get your system set up optimally for your hardware and needs. It'll probably be worth the money just get everything working and having a rock solid image to restore to. Then you can go crazy from there.
 
Trying to sort through piles of random advice from the internet is... well... daunting at best. It may all be correct but it may not all be the same as different people take different approaches and then you just end up with a jumbled, conflicting mess. One good tech + one clear path of execution = one working system that makes sense.

Vlada, thanks for explaining.  I wonder if there is a power shortage with connected USB devices.  Just a thought.
 
Bob Bone
 

I would suggest that this thread has little to do with Sonar and more to do with tinkering.
 
Bob, you are  a wealth of knowledge on Sonar and this forum but I think any advice thus given on this thread could be a red herring.
 
Its counter Intuative for the OP with any more advice given here, I only hope Vlad can get issues sorted.
 
But, all of this is strictly off topic from Sonar.