Loptec
 
I think it's unfair to say that melodyne "is good but not that good", since you're trying to do something celemony never said melodyne can do in the first place.

I agree, Loptec.  I've seen a few people complaining that Melodyne won't do this or that.
 
It is an astounding piece of kit.
 
So what if it won't work your keyboard and drum parts out, or if it requires some tweaking in the note detection window when analysing polyphonic material?
 
Reading the manual is a real bonus.  When I first got it I just bumbled round, and got bad results v e r y  s l o w l y.   I then studied the manual and practiced on random audio until I now get remarkable results quickly.
 
I say again, it is an astounding piece of software.

plus 1 to jb 101
 
Melodyne has a far higher quality in editing (not only Vocal-) tracks
than any other tool .
It´s kickass!

Yep agreed, I never said anything different - note the post title, I already stated it was good! On single instrument parts I already said it did a good job.
 
However the spiel can be misconstrued to indicate what myself and others were trying was possible - for example here is a direct cut and paste from the FAQ section at Celemony...
 
 
 
Is it possible to create a MIDI file from polyphonic audio recordings?
 
Yes. With Melodyne editor it is indeed possible to detect single notes in a polyphonic recording and to export them as a MIDI file.
 
This is not yet possible, however, in Melodyne studio or Melodyne assistant. Here, the source audio file must be monophonic.
The playing technique is crucial, too: Sustained notes, coming from open strings on a guitar for example, have to be damped to maintain a monophonic signal.
 
Just in case others think I made it up the link is http://www.celemony.com/cms/index.php?id=faq&L=0#c3294 and then scroll down to MIDI And Synchronisation

CJaysMusic
Maybe in 2099, a VSTi will be able to do this, but there is not a program on earth that can extract a competed mixed down drum set and break it down the way you want.
 
Use individual drums to go from audio to MIDI and not the mixed down drums in a single wave file or clip.
 
CJ

That functionality exists NOW as a standard drag and drop feature within Ableton Live - therefore the technology exists so why can't Melodyne do it?  I too was upset having bought the full license only to find it didn't work.  Instead I have to open the stereo Wav of the drum loop in Ableton, press one button (convert drums to midi) then import the midi file to Sonar

Didn't anyone see the PolyTone module on the Celemoney site?  It's damn cool.  It can distinguish your crashes one from another regardless of the strength of your hits.  Further, it will pick up  and identify the nuances when even using brushes. All these factors that are present in a live drum performance are now translatable and editable and edible in a delightful blend your  favorite flavors that are sure to kick drum some ass. All that for an incredibly down to earth price of $30,000. Of course, you will need the Studio version of Melodyne, but what the heck, what's another $30,000?   
 

joden
Yep agreed, I never said anything different - note the post title, I already stated it was good! On single instrument parts I already said it did a good job.
 
However the spiel can be misconstrued to indicate what myself and others were trying was possible - for example here is a direct cut and paste from the FAQ section at Celemony...
 
 
 
Is it possible to create a MIDI file from polyphonic audio recordings?
 
Yes. With Melodyne editor it is indeed possible to detect single notes in a polyphonic recording and to export them as a MIDI file.
 
This is not yet possible, however, in Melodyne studio or Melodyne assistant. Here, the source audio file must be monophonic.
The playing technique is crucial, too: Sustained notes, coming from open strings on a guitar for example, have to be damped to maintain a monophonic signal.
 
Just in case others think I made it up the link is http://www.celemony.com/cms/index.php?id=faq&L=0#c3294 and then scroll down to MIDI And Synchronisation

 
I don't think it's wrong of Celemony to write "Yes. With Melodyne editor it is indeed possible to detect single notes in a polyphonic recording and to export them as a MIDI file."

Drum hits aren't notes. They're... hits.
 
Melodyne analyzes the material and gives you MIDI-notes where it detects the most salient frequencies (with harmonic overtones). It's that simple. What you get isn't "note gobbledygook". The note obbledygook is what you put in, since a wave form with a full drumkit doesn't contain any specific salient frequencies (with harmonic overtones) ..or rather; the MIDI-notes you get is where melodyne finds these frequencies in the wave form with the drum track.
 
So: Melodyne detects the tonal infromation in the material and seperates the notes based on this (this fact becomes very clear watching any of their videos) it's not very hard to understand it can't detect different drum sounds in a single waveform (keeping this very accesible information from celemony in mind)

really!!?? Well duh!
 
You missed the point, I said it is easy to "misconstrue" (you do know what that means - don't you) the information. There is no "in-depth" qualifications of the process on the Celemony website. The FAQ answer WILL, and no doubt unless it is modified, confuse many others as well. and a drum note IS a note - not a "hit" sheesh where did you come up with that from?
 
 

Either Live or Reason (I forget which) has a feature whereby you beatbox a drum beat with your mouth and it will convert it to a MIDI pattern with all the hits pitched correctly. Not sure exactly how it works but it sounds pretty cool. 

joden
really!!?? Well duh!
 
You missed the point, I said it is easy to "misconstrue" (you do know what that means - don't you) the information.

 
If you had read about and understood the core functionality of melodyne you wouldn't have misconstrued this. Or maybe you still would have(?) .. Never the less; I think their answer is quite clear.
 

joden
and a drum note IS a note - not a "hit" sheesh where did you come up with that from?

 
I got it from thinking. Yes, the word note can mean notes in a note sheet (where you call a drum hit a note). However; the word note can also simply mean the pitch/tonality of a sound. And (as I've said a few times now) it's not that complicated and hard to understand Celemony's meaning of this word, if you just know a tiny bit of how melodyne works. 
 

joden
There is no "in-depth" qualifications of the process on the Celemony website. 

 
Exactly. But in all their videos it becomes clear that Melodyne finds and isolates pitch information in the material. If you know what pitch is and you also know how a drum kit sounds like, it shouldn't be very hard to understand Melodyne can't do much with this material.
 

joden 
The FAQ answer WILL, and no doubt unless it is modified, confuse many others as well. 

Naa.. Not that many I think..
 
It feels like I'm repeating myself over and over here. I'm done with that now. Good luck with your future Melodyne-experiments.

I haven't tried this yet, but on something like a guitar solo (or bass part) I would think filtering out what you want with R-mix first (and/or EQ) and then applying Melodyne would improve results.