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2015/03/04 18:16:07
gothic.angel
..Rain...
 
I already explained it's not about your specific statements in themselves...
and frankly the only one who "seems to misinterpret posts" is you here....
You keep referring to Anderton posts, but if you read CAREFULLY, you will see that OVERALL Macs and Apple's restrictive policies get beaten, after all... 
 
There are posts here referring to what Macs used to be, but no longer they are... which you don't seem to get...
 
My references to poor performances of some DAWs on Mac compared to Windows come from true daily experience, and anyway were only aimed at meaning that today Macs are NO BEST CHOICE AT ALL for music making, NO WAY.... that simple.  
 
Finally, I named Depeche Mode (and monster Windows-Only DAW like SAMPLITUDE/SEQUOIA) just as an example, but the whole lot is not limited to that... not limited to DEPECHE MODE (HUGE and fundamental, as we all know ) and not limited to SEQUOIA...
 
Your points are understood, really.... but what I'm underlineing here is a little bit different...
that is to say that Macs' "predominance" in the Pro DAW world is no longer actual and specifically not due to better quality and performances, but today it's just related to historical events...
 
Then there are personal preferences...
I like to consider computers machines (and DAWs) that I can configure the way I like best, fitting my needs, at my own will...  I want to build my very own DAW with the software I choose.
 
I don't want thingies and formats that "Apple's Master" forces me to, as "get the crappy Garageband so that your next obvious natural move will be to buy LOGIC"... 
To me, Apple's world has indeed become a big circus filled with expensive fashion-toys, closer to fashion-appliances than computers, after all.
 
I believe that modern DAWs, on the other hand, with that wide selection of powerful Audio-related software and hardware tools available out there, do NEED customization... and that's where WINDOWS, as somehow you stated yourself, finds its power.....
 
Now, of course we could go round and round with this, getting nowhere in the end... each with one's own respectable views...
 
Real old and boring subject.... ENOUGH..........  
 
All the best.
 
 
 
 
2015/03/04 18:20:56
gothic.angel
Splat
gothic.angel
And let me add, just as a personal consideration, that Windows has a certain DAW called SAMPLITUDE/SEQUOIA...
..audio editing (in particular...) at its VERY BEST...!!!
Depeche Mode (their engineers), just for instance, recorded their last tour performances on it.....
quite "professional" I would say...
 



Ah the nice boys (slightly pervy) of Mute.
Off to run out and buy an Atari ST, Emulator III and a Fairlight (don't have an iPhone to download the app) just to remember the old days

Violator was recorded at my old studio and a friend of mine did some of the programming... fond memories...




 
...wow... I can bet they ARE fond memories......... 
2015/03/04 18:35:58
gothic.angel
John
To be continued.  




 
...Hi john...
 
...NO... please, hope that's the end of it...... 
...don't wanna get hooked any more....... 
...long time ago, year 2009 if I recall well, you and I were already involved into such a subject....
...we had to deal with someone asking why (...?!) SONAR was not available on happy fairy Macs' world...
...long wearisome night it turned out to be...!!!
 
ENOUGH.... ENOUGH.........!   
2015/08/02 05:44:25
jccros
Considering DP has gone Windows after being Mac only for decades I don't see why this post is any different.
 
 
Point 1: 
 
If there is no relevance to Cakewalk making OS X compatible software than please explain why Z3TA, CA-2A, Dimension Pro, etc are available for OS X? 

Point 2:
 
Just as PC users can choose between any number of DAW platforms, be it Cubase, Sonar, Studio One, Nuendo, etc… and they all have their own individual shortcomings, how is an OS preference suddenly not a preference but somehow a "trendy" choice? 
 
Point 3:
 
Since the components are preselected and the drivers are native to the OS you do not have driver conflicts with OS X. If the point is to make music, than call me crazy if I'd rather spend my time on a new machine writing music right away instead of chasing down senseless compatibility issues. 
 
Point 4:
 
Like it or not OS X is substantially more secure than Windows. You don't need an AV program in OS X, which is a performance crippler. Anyone who says you do does not understand how security and permissions work in OS X. (Additionally OS X's drive encryption is incredibly secure and has virtually zero overhead on any recent Intel CPU.)
 
Some of us have to send files to clients and it's less of a bottleneck to export and send from one place. It's absolutely senseless to have to install a program just so you can safely use your computer online when an OS can natively provide sufficient security. In the 8 years I've been on OSX I've experienced zero malware and zero virus threats.  
 
Just as people have their preferences about DAWs, people have their preferences about OS's as well… 
 
And anyone who thinks Microsoft is any less corporate or controlling than Apple has been drinking from the same Kool Aid bowl as the Mac fanatics they complain about. It's a computer and that's that.
 
It would be nice to eventually see Sonar ported natively to OS X… As someone who used it years ago and enjoyed it, it would be a welcome addition...
 
2015/08/02 06:04:31
mudgel
This thread has been running for 10 years. It was never going to happen back in 2005 and it isn't happening now.

Consider the development costs and for no return. Not happening.
2015/08/02 06:12:14
Bristol_Jonesey
Mike is right.
 
I certainly do not want the limited resources which Cakewalk employ to have to spend at least 50% of their precious time developing the software for a platform which I will never use.
 
Selfish? Probably.
2015/08/02 06:38:12
tenfoot
I can't believe this old chestnut has found its way back into the current threads!
 
https://en.m.wikipedia.or.../Flogging_a_dead_horse
2015/08/02 06:49:27
jccros
gothic.angel
 
Then personal experience: I work with Windows, and I happen to work with Macs with some of my colleague's too...
Well, of course BOTH have issues, but when it comes to performances, Macs become poor thing...
Apple LOGIC (especially since v8..) is buggy as hell (so it's not brilliant exception among DAWs), Cubase, Ableton Live and Propellerhead Reason run MUCH more fluently and smoothly on Windows...!!!
Ableton Live, in particular, crashes  on Macs as I never see on Windows...
 
 


This is simply Not true. I've been on OS X with Live since 2008 and it's stable as a rock through each version. I also had virtually identical performance on a dual core Mac as my previous dual core PC with very similar specs. 

And the claims that Logic X is slower than 9 are totally false. Here's benchmark test for anyone curious.
EDIT: Apparently since I'm new I can't post links. Search for: "Logic Multicore Test - evans . se" if interested.
I get the same track count with 9 and X, and 8 is actually less efficient as it has poorer multicore support. 
 
The only way to definitively say one OS is more or less efficient than the other is to test machines with an identical hardware configuration. Saying a PC with different specs is better is comparing apples to oranges.





 
 
2015/08/02 07:03:42
Bristol_Jonesey
I'm sure your points are all valid but the fact remains, Sonar is not now and in all probability will never be ported over to OSX
2015/08/02 07:40:47
pwalpwal
wow 10 year old thread! some kind of record?
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