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2015/08/02 09:42:37
brconflict
Personally, I'm surprised Sonar isn't OSX-friendly, only because I know a great many people who would try Sonar if it ran on OSX, because they already own the hardware. There's a lot of users who despise Windows, regardless of how steady and secure it might be if users secured it. I have no issues running Windows, but there are a great many others I run into who prefer Macs.
 
 
2015/08/02 11:12:49
Anderton
jccros
Considering DP has gone Windows after being Mac only for decades I don't see why this post is any different.

 
I believe MOTU's move relates to Logic selling for $199, thus making it more difficult for others to continue competing on the Mac platform.
 
If there is no relevance to Cakewalk making OS X compatible software than please explain why Z3TA, CA-2A, Dimension Pro, etc are available for OS X?

 
Because their market is anyone who uses a DAW. The market for SONAR is anyone who hasn't committed to a DAW on the Mac, which is a much smaller number. 

Since the components are preselected and the drivers are native to the OS you do not have driver conflicts with OS X.

 
To me, that is the Mac's biggest strength with respect to audio. It's one that Microsoft has started to target with Windows 10, but I think it's going to be quite a while before there's parity with the two platforms, given the Mac's head start. Core Audio rocks.
 
Like it or not OS X is substantially more secure than Windows. You don't need an AV program in OS X, which is a performance crippler. Anyone who says you do does not understand how security and permissions work in OS X. (Additionally OS X's drive encryption is incredibly secure and has virtually zero overhead on any recent Intel CPU.)

 
There's a reason why Apple's marketing materials no longer claim that their computers are invulnerable. Java, email attachments, USB drives, etc. can all provide points of entry into a Mac. Furthermore, Macs are used by hackers to harbor Windows malware so the Mac can be used to infect Windows machines. Although Mac OS security is good, hackers are always one step ahead. The Flashback virus infection is behind us, but other vulnerabilities continue to be found...
 
http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/06/new-remote-exploit-leaves-most-macs-vulnerable-to-permanent-backdooring/
 
More references to Mac security in general and past hacks...
 
https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2012/04/24/mac-malware-study/
http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/can-macs-get-viruses/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/13/mac-virus-fix-apple-flashback-trojan_n_1423256.html
http://www.tomsguide.com/us/best-antivirus,review-2588-6.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/11/apple-flashback-virus_n_1417886.html
http://news.drweb.com/show/?i=2341&lng=en&c=14
 
Security breaches with Apple's sites are not encouraging, either. 
 
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/02/24/apples-security-breach-should-scare-you-more-than-targets-did/
 
This is the scariest research paper, and it's from only a couple months ago. Don't forget about iOS vulnerabilities, either.
 
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxxXk1d3yyuZOFlsdkNMSGswSGs/view
 
Then there's this rather gaping hole...
 
https://reverse.put.as/2015/05/29/the-empire-strikes-back-apple-how-your-mac-firmware-security-is-completely-broken/
 
I use a Mac as well as Windows, so this isn't a religious matter with me. Anecdotal evidence about not experiencing a virus is all well and good, but just because I haven't experienced a virus on my Windows machine doesn't mean Windows owners should not be vigilant...and Mac users can't afford to be complacent any more, particularly in the light of how previous security breaches were handled. The addition of Gatekeeper helped deal with the kind of Mac issues that affected hundreds of thousands of users in 2012, but it's not a complete answer unless it's able to anticipate what hackers will come up with in the future - like they have in some of the documents mentioned above. 
 
None of this is about bashing the Mac, it's just a recognition that the days of Mac invulnerability are long gone, and that includes iPhones and the Apple Store. Based on the kind of links above, unless all the writers people are clueless about computer security, Mac users need to be aware of this reality rather than be lulled into a false sense of security just because traditionally, Macs were less vulnerable.
 
It would be nice to eventually see Sonar ported natively to OS X… As someone who used it years ago and enjoyed it, it would be a welcome addition...

 
I truly believe Cakewalk would never recoup the costs of developing a Mac OS X version of SONAR, and the diversion of resources from the Windows version would diminish the company's core product. With Logic selling for $199, it's going to be difficult for established companies to keep market share - just ask Avid and MOTU - let alone provide space for new companies to enter the fray.
 
Meanwhile, I know lots of people who really like Apple's hardware, so they run SONAR under Boot Camp or Parallels with an Apple computer. That's probably as close as you're going to come to a solution.
 
2015/08/02 11:14:05
bapu
OK, so no Mac. What about linux?
 
 
 
I keed, I keed.
2015/09/25 02:47:40
danardf
OSX is based on BSD Unix.
  1. BSD = Unix
  2. Linux = Unix.
If there's no dev for OSX, then no dev for Linux.
There should be as much work to coding under OSX than Linux.
 
2015/09/25 09:02:38
kennywtelejazz

 
Duke 
2015/09/25 12:05:21
anxiousmofo
Since Apple ate Camel Audio and Alchemy, it is my fervent desire that Mac users never, ever, ever get to use SONAR.
2015/09/26 01:06:38
EgM
mudgel
This thread has been running for 10 years. It was never going to happen back in 2005 and it isn't happening now.

Consider the development costs and for no return. Not happening.



I wouldn't say "for no return" as I would buy it myself, even if it costs more than Logic X.  Pretty sure many other people would too.
 
But being a programmer myself, I know porting an already completed product is very tedious and costly work.
 
Many people like me are very tired of Windows.  btw, I'm no fanboy by any means... my VEP5 slave is on Win7, I got iPhones, LG G4, Nexus tablets and many linux servers/workstations.   But I'm done with Windows for main DAW work!
2015/10/28 15:02:07
jfxot
Well, since I just had to read through all that in my hopeful and apparently hopeless search...

If Sonar were Mac'd, I'd also buy/own it.

Hating on the MS/W10 scenario, and do not need Windows for anything else in this life but to get my 50+ Cakewalk projects out of my defunct XP machine's disc and unfortunately, sadly, but determinedly port them over to Logic-town.

Not a big fan of Apple either, believe me, but I have to choose one platform that centralizes all my studio needs, and after being IBM/PC-centric the WHOLE time I've been computing (since '91), MS just lost me when they dropped XP, a beautiful, working OS, and resorted to HostageWare, and so the hell with 'em. They took my excellent usable familiar Home Studio 4 down with it, and I can not bring myself to buy another Windows machine solely to remain loyal to Cakewalk, which IS the only reason I have been considering it.

Too good a product not to throw it into Mac-land competition, IMO, and I have owned/been using it since, what, 95-6? But there you have it. Loyalty meets pragmatism. I dont know of one studio that uses CW/S (which simply means I dont know of any, but that kind of IS saying something), but that does not matter to me on the song-creation/capture level that I would use it for, just as I used GB when it was all that was handy, and now will use Logic, since I had to buy it to port my GB projects up and out so that ProTools goons can use my serviceable and preferable demo performances and I dont have to pay to re-record them. I will have to pay someone with CW/S to get my projects out. Sucks that does, I dont like having to do it.

Wish I could just click BUY and have it load on this machine, I'd sincerely be all "Logic who?". I dont need freaking Windows for anything else : /
2015/10/28 17:03:33
letyourlightshine
bcmusik
Does someone knows if some day the Mac Users will have the honor to use this piece of software?

I was a user of cakewalk for several years, but OSX, Logic and pro tools take me to the dark side, I love Sonar but I hate Windows, if there any chance??

I didnt read the comments but man oh man  you stepped in dog crap so to speak,Ive asked a few times,been met with almost overwhelming negativity.I am not a "mac" guy anymore than I am a "PC " guy.I had a PC,Sonar was my first DAW,came with interface,and I have loved it since.Bought almost all other DAWs just to see,and none came close.
PC became slow,especially when working with lots of sampkled instruments.Couldnt upgrade ram,so my wife made the decision to get me a mac as a present,cause i had been complaining about slowness of my computer for a few years.\
Thats to explain I have no alllegiance nor do I think one is better than the other.But cakewalk users seem to think that a mac version will somehow ruin the attention they get from caklewalk or something,I have heard the coding would be "too dificult to make work on mac" which I have no idea about,I believe maybe it would be a damn headache,impossible?I doubt it.And no one could understand the concept of hiring people just to work on the mnac version thus not taking away from anything about the PC version.
I was told to "buy a new PC " which honeslty irritated me,since I am not rich,and am lucky to have a mac or a computer at all.
Then there is bootcamp,like thats as good as a native mac version,I even resigned to bootcamp and foloowed all the tuorials including one by cakewalk and i couldnt get it work,not going in to that uit,s a boring annoying story)So So I asked if they could make a new tutorial that is more in depth and litereally goers through every single step on video.But I am back to screw bootcamp,I dont want to boot into windows then turn off mycomputer to use a jmac program.
And virtual machines?Yes I wasted what little money I had and they are a joke.
So even if every single other DAW maker has a mac and a PC version it seems like there will never be a mac version,and Im not trying to be a jerk.
So just let that Sonar  mac version hope die,it will be better than being sad you cannot use your absoilute favorite DAW ever,and that people think the will lose something if one is made.
 
2015/10/28 18:43:15
kevinwal
As a very long time developer with experience on many, many OS's I find it difficult to understand the animosity toward Windows, and why one would prefer one enormously wealthy corporate behemoth over another. The guy who said choose your marketing was dead on.
 
That said, Windows is a highly capable system and Sonar leverages its services beautifully. Further, MS is busily reengineering the audio stack to provide even higher levels of flexibility and performance as we speak, and I look forward to someday soon running a fully featured Sonar on my Windows phone.
 
Well, gotta go, I lost the keys to my hovercar.
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