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2013/10/13 10:08:04
harmony gardens
After realizing the limitations of Kontakt player 4, I decided I wanted the full version of Kontakt. 
 
After realizing that Kontakt 5 by itself would cost me $250, I decided that it made sense to get Komplete 9, because for just a little more money you get all that extra cool stuff. 
 
I was able to get a NIB Komplete 7 cheap and that will allow me to upgrade to Komplete 9 for quite a bit less than what it would cost me to get 9 Komplete now.
 
The question is, will the version of Kontakt I get with Komplete 7 run in X3??  Installing Komplete 7 is just a stop off to Komplete 9, but I'm not sure what hassles await me as I upgrade from 7 to 9.  If it's too much trouble, I would just install enough to qualify for the upgrade. 
 
or,,,,, do you think Komplete 7 will be ok for a while and I can upgrade later,,,
 
any thoughts welcome,,,,
2013/10/13 10:48:13
emwhy
I think you'll be fine. I have Komplete 8 and the only thing that ever gave me grief was the Alicia's Keys module in Kontakt, but after checking the NI forums I found it was their issue not Sonar's. Overall I've been VERY happy with Komplete and Kontakt. Just beware, if you're married or in a realationship your significant other may not see you for hours at a time! 
2013/10/13 12:13:02
harmony gardens
lol,,, yeah, I'm like a hermit these days already,,, at least people know where to find me
 
I'm going to get a whole lot of new toys now,,,, I sold my prepaid PS4 slot to someone who wanted it on the first day to pay for some of this stuff I'm getting, but seems like a good way to go for me.  I'd rather have Komplete  ;)
 
I don't even know what version of Kontakt I'm getting.  anyone know??
 
 
2013/10/13 12:27:16
EDS
I believe the last version update was 5.2.1 for windows and 5.1.0 for mac, if that helps. 
2013/10/13 13:23:53
swamptooth
kontakt 4 is the version in k7.  where'd you find a copy of it.  fwiw i don't think ni supports it anymore...
2013/10/13 14:23:00
robert_e_bone
Kontakt 4 is still quite good, and has a pretty good set of libraries.  It was their flagship until Kontakt 5 came out, so you will be fine with it.
 
After you get it installed, when you start loading up multiple instruments into a single instance of Kontakt 4, you will need to look into the Output Routing section, which is how you will set each loaded instrument to its own set of audio outputs from Kontakt.
 
What I found worked quickly and easily for me was to display the Output Section, then I run a Batch Function that Clears the Output Section and Create separate outputs for each loaded instrument.  This gives each instrument its own stereo outputs.  I then double-click on the name of each output channel and rename it to something better - like Piano, Organ, Bass, etc., instead of the default, which are the actual preset names.  This makes it easier to read when assigning audio track inputs to the Kontakt instrument outputs.
 
Anyways, WAY cool you have a good version of Kontakt - enjoy! :)
 
Bob Bone
 
 
2013/10/13 17:47:08
harmony gardens
Cool, thanks Robert.  I'm going to have my work cut out for me, but hopefully I will be able to get a good workflow going, thanks for the pointers!!  I think I'll try to wait to upgrade for a while, unless I have problems running it in X3, which now seems like I shouldn't.
 
@ swamp, I got it on ebay. 
 
 
 
 
2013/10/13 20:52:40
vladasyn
Most of libraries still compatible with Komplete 4 and 5.
 
Robert, I am not sure I understand what you mean by all these outputs. The outputs are not assigned in Komplete. They assigned in Sonar. In fact- setting all soft synths tracks to Master doing its job. I only get to change MIDI channel for MIDI track. Would you mind to explain what you mean? Thank you.
2013/10/13 21:25:10
robert_e_bone
@vlada - sure.  Kontakt is able to internally route things to up to 64 outputs - not talking about Sonar here - I mean that within Kontakt, you can have up to 64 outputs.  I myself do not use more than 16 outputs per any one instance of Kontakt, but in any case the process is the same.
 
1.  Insert Kontakt (I usually pick the one with 64 outputs).  I do NOT let the insert soft synth dialog box create and assign my audio tracks or midi tracks - I choose to do that manually.  I do it this way because of how I end up creating the multiple outputs for multiple loaded instruments, as described in the next steps.
2.  Load several instruments into Kontakt (Piano, Bass, Organ, Rhodes)
3.  Click on the button at the top of the window that turns on the Output Section to become visible at the bottom of the Kontakt window.
4.  Now, in the Output Section, there is a drop-down arrow next to where it says 'Presets / Batch Configuration'.  Click that arrow, then hover on Batch Functions, then click on the one that says "Clear output section and create one individual output channel for each loaded instrument".  This wipes out the default outputs and inserts a stereo output for each load instrument, naming each to the same name as each instrument's preset name.
5.  I happen to want to rename those output channel names to something better, so I always rename them to be for example 'Piano', rather than 'Bechstein Bach', etc.  So, I would end up with output channel names like, Piano, Organ, Bass, etc.
6.  Now, I insert one midi track for each loaded instrument, so if I have 4 instruments I would insert 4 midi tracks, I also name each midi track to something like Piano Midi, etc.  I also set each midi track's Output Midi Channel to match the channel assigned to that instrument in Kontakt.  (each time you load an instrument in Kontakt, it automatically increments the assigned midi channel for the new instrument, so the first loaded instrument is defaulted to midi channel 1, the 2nd loaded instrument gets midi channel 2, and so on.  The Midi Output for each of these midi tracks is also simply assigned to Kontakt.
7.  OK, now for the audio tracks.  I insert pairs of audio tracks for each loaded stereo instrument, such as keyboard instruments, and a single audio track for instruments such as bass.  I then assign left and right outputs from each instrument to left/right mono tracks as appropriate, and for mono instruments I assign to left mono channel.  I also name the audio tracks to be something like, Piano Left, Piano Right, Bass, organ Left, Organ Right, etc.
 
So, that's how I do output routing assignments using Kontakt with multiple loaded instruments in Sonar.
 
Bob Bone
 
2013/10/13 21:27:14
robert_e_bone
I also should mention that while I could use a single stereo track rather than 2 mono (left/right), for the stereo instruments, I choose to keep them separate so that I can add a slight delay to one side or the other, as needed, to thicken the stereo sound, like what Genesis used to do.
 
Bob Bone
 
 
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