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2015/06/05 13:11:32
Planobilly
Because I don't get to speak English much here where I live and I am trying my best to learn Spanish and this song has a lot of appeal to me.
 
It would be cool to read the lyrics.
 
I kinda like the mix just like it is. Drums are always a challenge in any song. My advice to to stick with what "you" like to hear. Nothing stands that distract me from enjoying the song.
 
buen trabajo
 
Billy
2015/06/05 14:30:12
philz
Cian, what's a nice Irish boy doing singing in Spanish, anyway?  Back to your roots, lad 
 
Seriously, great job, tune has a lot going for it, not least of all your fine voice.
2015/06/06 06:06:51
whack
Hi Guys,
 
Thanks for all your comments. It appears the drums have come on for the most crits. The cajon is a great idea (I actually have a real one at home) however I want this to be heavy hitting electronic sound (reggaeton music is like that) but maybe my samples are not fantastic. 
 
Bitflipper, great to have an experienced set of ears on board. I downloaded span (although I do have ozone somewhere) and compared. Have a look at the link below, I reference the same part of the song in mastering mode and screenshotted them. Im not quite sure how you "follow the slope" per se.
 

 
PS - Your right I mix 50% in AKG headphones and the other half on KRK rockit 5's, untreated room, so sub bass is a guessing game. Also this track has a db or two of mastering left to get on it.
 
 
2015/06/06 06:17:08
synkrotron

 
I've re-inserted your pic here Cian... That tinypic site takes an age for me to load and you're bombarded with junk...
2015/06/06 06:18:47
whack
synkrotron, how did you do that? I have been trying it for the last 15 minutes, forum only lets me attach as url??
2015/06/06 06:24:44
synkrotron
whack
so sub bass is a guessing game.



I'm with you on that one Cian... It's something I am trying to fathom out how to get around myself without having to spend a ton of dosh and completely take over a room in the house (missus wouldn't be pleased). I can't even use my Tannoy Reveals at the moment...
 
bitflipper
SPAN could be your salvation here. Set it to Mastering mode, insert it at the end of the 2-bus, and adjust the slope for between 3.5 and 4.5 (or import a representative reference song and determine its slope). Then shoot for a more-or-less horizontal line on SPAN's spectrum display.



What I would like to know is, what does all this mean? I'm using SPAN too, right now, as well as my Pro-Q plug. 
 
What does "adjust the slope" do? I've now spotted it in the SPAN setting nut I'm clueless.
 
Actually... Scrub all that cos I'm hijacking your thread... Sorry
 
I'll raise these questions again in my EQ thread in Techniques
 
cheers
 
andy
2015/06/06 06:27:11
synkrotron
whack
synkrotron, how did you do that? I have been trying it for the last 15 minutes, forum only lets me attach as url??




I determined the url for the picture and then used the Insert/Edit Image button in the quick reply area... Pasted the url in the box that pops up 
2015/06/06 06:33:56
synkrotron
I think I'm getting the "slope" thing now..................
 
From the Voxengo Primary User Guide:-
 

The "Slope" selector (which is defined in dB per octave) allows you to adjust spectrum
analyzer display’s slope around 1kHz. Skewing the spectrum can be useful because
higher frequencies usually have weaker power in comparison to the lower
frequencies. By choosing an appropriate spectrum slope, you can compensate for this
fact and make the spectrum plot look more convenient and meaningful.

2015/06/07 08:42:01
emeraldsoul
Glad I got a chance to hear this. 
 
I can see why this song caught you, plenty catchy, and your vocal has a clarity which is admirable.
 
I agree with absolutely everything Bitflipper said. I appreciate your desire to club it out and keep that boomy tom . . .  but for my vote I'd go with something more organic drum-wise. The clarity of the vocal and piano just get <opinionated old guy mode ON> cheapened by the cliche thundertom <opinionated old guy mode OFF>.
 
Still a great treatment of this song and you do it justice.
 
me gusta!
 
hasta lumbago!
 
-Tom
2015/06/08 09:54:44
bitflipper
"Slope" refers to the angle that frequencies drop in volume between the peak bass area and the upper-midrange. Because low frequencies require much more energy, amplitudes will almost always slope downward. Here are some examples:

The slope is expressed as decibels-per-octave. Typical values are between 3 and 5 dB/octave, although classical and acoustic folk music might be 6 dB/octave while some very bright pop music might be as shallow as 2 dB/octave.
 
Graphical analyzers such as SPAN let you apply weighting that adjusts for that slope, resulting in the display taking on a more-or-less horizontal appearance. This makes it much easier to compare different spectral ranges, but unless you choose the right weighting it can mess you up.
 
The idea is to load in a reference track, some recording that's representative of the sound you're shooting for, determine its slope and adjust SPAN's weighting (slope) accordingly. Then you'll have a visual target to reference, independent of monitoring limitations. 
 
 
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