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2013/10/09 13:14:08
Sylvan
Is it possible that the sounds of and/or the interface/capabilities of Addictive drums could be used to enhance (sample reinforce, or sample replace) a live recorded acoustic drum kit?
 
Kind of like Drumagog does, but with using the sounds I could get (like an expansion pack) from Addictive Drums.
 
Is this even something worth while to do? Or is Drumagog the best way to sample reinforce a live kit? Perhaps Addictive Drums is intended to be used for building MIDI drums only?
 
Just exploring it's possible uses here, thank you. 
2013/10/09 13:23:16
dubdisciple
One way to achieve something like that is to use audiosnap as demonstrated in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2eecggyVr0
 
Of course using AD instead of session drummer
2013/10/09 13:24:15
mmorgan
I don't see why it wouldn't be possible. I layer up drums quite often, especially kicks and snares. One new capacity we have now with Melodyne is the conversion of audio to MIDI. So if you took, say your acoustic kick and converted to MIDI then use that MIDI to pump AD. Voila`
 
Regards,
 
Regards,
2013/10/09 13:35:31
Beepster
If AD responds to MIDI input then yeah... as has been mentioned use Audiosnap to turn the drum hits to MIDI notes and use that to feed AD. However, and I may be making an inaccurate assumption here... if so my apologies, you strike me as a metal dude who'd probably dealing with some intricate/chaotic drum recordings. The MIDI extraction will probably be more of a chore because you'll have to look for more dropped/missing transients and manually enable/insert them. Also audiosnap claims to detect the volume of notes and assigns them appropriate velocity levels but as with many "automatic" functions I'm sure this is something else you'll want to keep an eye on.
 
And then there is potential phase issues if the detection puts the MIDI notes slightly out of whack with the acoustic performance. If you've already done this with another sequencer though you are probably aware of all this. Just thought I'd toss these considerations out there and say hi from one metal dude to another. Cheers.
2013/10/09 13:39:06
dubdisciple
Although i posted the audiosnap video, there are other ways to convert the sound to midi.  As someone posted, meolodyne does that.  I would reccomend using a dry track to do the conversion. The cleaner those transients are, the better your results.
2013/10/09 13:41:50
Beepster
mmorgan
I don't see why it wouldn't be possible. I layer up drums quite often, especially kicks and snares. One new capacity we have now with Melodyne is the conversion of audio to MIDI. So if you took, say your acoustic kick and converted to MIDI then use that MIDI to pump AD. Voila`
 
Regards,
 
Regards,




Wait... basically what you are saying is the integrated Melodyne is a potential/more effective replacement for Audiosnap in regards to transient detection? Can it do time stretching as well?
 
If so I will have to give a reward point or three back to the Bakers.
 
Oh and hi, mmorgan. Hope you've been well. You've always been a quality poster. Your insights are appreciated. Cheers.
2013/10/09 13:46:01
ohgrant
 Wish I could find it, but Danny has a great video out explaining how to do this in Sonar without the use of programs like Drumagog or Toontracks Drumtracker
2013/10/09 13:46:34
Beepster
dubdisciple
Although i posted the audiosnap video, there are other ways to convert the sound to midi.  As someone posted, meolodyne does that.  I would reccomend using a dry track to do the conversion. The cleaner those transients are, the better your results.




Hi, dub. I'd be curious to hear other methods of transient detection. No need for intense detail (but if you're bored I won't complain ;-p) but if there are components I should be looking at (in X2 or elsewhere) I'd love to hear your opinion. You know far more about this type of thing than I. Cheers.
2013/10/09 13:47:35
dubdisciple
Beepster, the ARA integration in Sonar is quite impressive imo.  Just drag an audio file on to a midi track and it is converted.  First time I did it was by accident and was blown away.  I accidentally dropped an audio recording on to the lounge lizard piano and next thing I know it converted it and it sounded so good i layered it with the original audio track.
2013/10/09 13:49:42
Beepster
ohgrant
 Wish I could find it, but Danny has a great video out explaining how to do this in Sonar without the use of programs like Drumagog or Toontracks Drumtracker




Here's the thread where he posted his vids on the Transient Shaper. I forget if the transient to MIDI extraction explanation was part of it or mentioned but at least it'll get you to his youtube page.
 
http://forum.cakewalk.com...;m=2795310&mpage=1
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