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2013/10/08 12:20:32
Beepster
Soundblend
Discussing plugins is good , but will not always come to a solution for everyone.
One person may like waves plugins, another would not..

You say that :
Those who dismiss them generally don't have a clue about good plugins !

I do not agree there, it all comes to the taste and how you hear the sound is processed.
Also the knowledge how to use em, and what to adjust.




Right... but if they are crippling your system it's time to find other options. There are plenty out there and most stuff is just variations on the same basic principles. You are missing out on a lot of stuff X2 has to offer. As I said, try X2 without those plugs and when you absolutely need to them switch to X1, render, and drag them back into X2. I have issues with X2 but mixing is not one of them.
2013/10/08 12:28:11
Soundblend
That is why i am still is searching for EQ and Compressors mainly from
the same company if possible, and of course as 64 bit plugs.
When i do find an EQ i like and a Compressor or two, ill be satisfied
and ditch the 32 bit ones.

And the next DAW will be X3 of course, but only when i have the cash for it
and it is stable.

then i do not have to worry about Bitridge or Jbridge.
2013/10/08 12:31:54
Beepster
Oh and CRANK UP YOUR BUFFERS while mixing. As high as they'll go if need be. The more time you allow your system to process the effects the less likely it is you are going to have dropouts/crashes.
 
A good way to keep an eye on these things is to insert the Performance Module into the Control Bar (right click the Control Bar and select Performance Module until it appears). You see exactly how much CPU and Ram power is being used up by what. If it starts maxing out up your buffers and/or start freezing some tracks and/or archiving tracks you don't need for what you are doing.
 
There are guys on here doing stuff on systems even less powerful than yours but they are smart about their resource consumption and system set up so it works. Also you may want to look into investing some money into an interface that will provide better performance. I'm not sure what you are using at the moment but you can get something pretty powerful with limited i/o for $150 or so and use that just for mixing.
 
Another thing to consider is if tracking is being a pain in X2 because you can't get your latency down far enough do your tracking in X1 and then open the project in X2 for editing/mixing. Or even do your tracking AND editing in X1 then do the mixing in X2. That way you have more tools to mix with and a better interface. I find editing to be problematic in X2 but when it is working it is easier than X1 but that's my opinion. Your workflow may be different.
 
When are tools are limited we use our minds to make those tools do what we need them to. Think back to the Beatles or any number of great old school bands who put out amazing productions with only a four track and some ingenuity at their disposal.
 
2013/10/08 12:36:36
John
Yes over the years members have done extensive tests on them and they have always faired well. I have a fair amount of free plugins but the vast majority are from well known developers that provide them to entice one to buy their paid for plugins. Its a way to advertise without being blatant about it. But I wont compromise my system to run 32 bit free plugins when there so many 64 bit ones out there. Then I am a strong user of PC modules which in a lot of cases replace plugins that may cost a lot more. 
 
The only plugin from CW that I have very little respect for is Boost 11. It was not meant for Sonar Producer but members demanded it to be included and CW did include it.
 
CW has always tried to provide quality plugins for its flagship DAW.  Most new members are under the impression that because these plugins are given away they must be second rate. That is a mistake. 
 
I have use a number of DAWs through the years and no other DAW comes with the plugins of comparable quality. Not Logic not Cubase and certainly not Reaper. 
 
The Sonitus ones are unique in that they are quite capable of emulating many other types of well known hardware FX.  Or they can be transparent. However one has to experiment with them to know this. 
 
In the end though what Beepster and Scook posted is more to the point and should be taken very seriously. 
 
You need a stable system to get the most out of what you already have. 
 
Up your RAM to at least 8 GB and I think a lot of you troubles will fade into the past. 
 
 
 
   
2013/10/08 12:38:06
Beepster
Soundblend
That is why i am still is searching for EQ and Compressors mainly from
the same company if possible, and of course as 64 bit plugs.
When i do find an EQ i like and a Compressor or two, ill be satisfied
and ditch the 32 bit ones.

And the next DAW will be X3 of course, but only when i have the cash for it
and it is stable.

then i do not have to worry about Bitridge or Jbridge.




I hate to say it but you really should sink some cash into buying/building a new system before upgrading. These types of problems will only get worse as time goes on. It sucks and I'm still feeling the sting of investing in mine but sometimes it just has to be done to stay current. You can get a more than ample rig for $700-800 or build an even better one for the same price. I built a top of line (for a year ago) powerhouse system for about $1200 and I could have probably gotten away with far less. Take a look at the Systems section of this site... especially the ADK link to see what is appropriate. The ADK guys have a section on their site where you can "build" your own system and it gives dropdown menus of various components they use. It is a very good guideline for building your own.
 
Good luck.
 
Oh and if I had purchased an equivalent system from them it would have been around $500 more not including tax and shipping (which would have likely put it well over $2000). I didn't get all the fancy set up, system tweaks and support which would have been nice but I was on a shoe string and my system works pretty darn good if I do say so myself. Not bad for a first time build. I did however have some help from a very smart friend but there are also tons of those crawling around this site and there are even guys you can call who'll give you advice for a small fee.
2013/10/08 12:42:01
Sanderxpander
I don't get why Soundblend would run any 64 bit plugs at all, let alone switch the last remaining 32 bit ones to 64. Unless you're getting the extra RAM. With 2GB, there is literally no point and it creates extra load on our system to use the Bitbridge. Not to mention you create extra possibilities for instability. You can easily install Sonar 32 bit on 64 bit Windows.
2013/10/08 12:44:44
Beepster
Sanderxpander
. You can easily install Sonar 32 bit on 64 bit Windows.



I wasn't sure about this. Does this introduce any stability issues itself? Because that would indeed be the best solution without have to drop a single penny.
2013/10/08 12:46:22
scook
Beepster
Sanderxpander
. You can easily install Sonar 32 bit on 64 bit Windows.



Does this introduce any stability issues itself? Because that would indeed be the best solution without have to drop a single penny.


No. As a matter of fact, it will be MORE stable given the HW/OS combination. That is why several have recommended it in this thread.
2013/10/08 12:48:15
Beepster
scook
Beepster
Sanderxpander
. You can easily install Sonar 32 bit on 64 bit Windows.



Does this introduce any stability issues itself? Because that would indeed be the best solution without have to drop a single penny.


No. As a matter of fact, it will be MORE stable given the HW/OS combination. That is why several have recommended it in this thread.




Good to know... and yeah, I've only kind of skimmed the thread as I'm a little distracted by some other stuff here in the meatworld today. Cheers.
 
And now that's got me thinking that considering my laptop only has 3 GB of RAM that if and when I decide to install Sonar on it just for screwing around or tracking out of the house I should go for the 32 bit install. I just figured with a 64bit OS that it was better to have a 64bit DAW.
 
Which is another thing to consider for OP. I paid $300 for this crummy Acer laptop and it is more powerful than your system. If money is really tight you could snag a Best Buy tower special for around the same price and STILL have more power than you do now. Just swap out the drives for 7200RPM ones if they aren't already and you'll be golden.
2013/10/08 12:49:13
Sanderxpander
No instability issues at all. Most apps you run on Windows are 32 bit, even if your Windows is 64. Or used to be, it's slowly switching now. The exception is drivers, you always need the matching drivers.
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