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2013/10/10 10:53:38
Kerch
I know just enough about recording midi to be dangerous, but still have a ton to learn. Been perusing these forums after upgrading to X3 and trying to figure out how to properly set up and use Addictive Drums. Some great info I've already found that's helped tremendously, so thanks to those who've been responsible for that.
 
One thing I'm having a bit of trouble with, being relatively new to the piano roll view when editing drums, is the large quantities of midi notes that appear on a track after I've recorded a part and layered it with multiple parts of the kit. It's sometimes difficult and confusing to navigate through all these notes, figure out which note is which, make changes, adjust values, etc. With Session Drummer 3, I'd previously used the Step Sequencer and avoided piano roll view, but I'm trying to expand my knowledge base here.
 
Anyway, I noticed an aside in another post for a solved issue that seemed to suggest it was possible to separate the midi notes on a track into separate midi tracks per kit piece, so I would be able to isolate, for example, the kick notes on one track, the snare notes on another, etc., etc. Seems like this would be very helpful to me when trying to tweak/edit a drum track so I'd know exactly what notes I was dealing with, but I haven't been able to figure out how to do this.
 
Any help would really be appreciated, and if you do respond, please keep in mind that you'd be replying to someone very new to this, so have no worries about possibly telling me something "I may already know," because I probably don't. :)
 
Thanks in advance.
2013/10/10 10:58:19
scook
Process > Run CAL and run the "Split Note to Tracks.CAL" script
2013/10/10 11:19:23
Kalle Rantaaho
The "normal" thing to do is routing the MIDI to separate audio tracks, and keep all the MIDI on one track. If you have kitpieces on separate MIDI tracks editing, say, drum breaks becomes a nightmare, when every hit is on a different track.
 
You will learn quite quickly which note is which kitpiece in Piano Roll. 
2013/10/10 11:34:17
Kerch
Thanks for the feedback and suggestions. Appreciate it. What you're saying there makes sense, Kalle. Could be I'm just overthinking all this and should just jump into it. For some context, I'd been working on a project with X2 using Session Drummer; after upgrading and checking out Addictive Drums, I now want to replace the SD drums (which I did using step sequencer) with the AD samples, which just sound better to me.
 
I didn't realize that there were so many hit/placement variations within AD vs. SD, so my initial thought that I could just assign what I'd already done in SD to AD didn't work out so well. What was once coming through as toms in SD, for example, is now coming through as cymbals or something else entirely in AD. I realize I could theoretically convert what I've done in the step sequencer using SD to editable midi notes and then move the notes one by one to their proper assignments in AD, but I've decided to just try to redo a couple songs' drums entirely using piano roll view for a change. Been a bit daunting initially.
 
In any case, thanks for the responses.
2013/10/10 11:39:21
WallyG
Kalle Rantaaho
The "normal" thing to do is routing the MIDI to separate audio tracks, and keep all the MIDI on one track. If you have kitpieces on separate MIDI tracks editing, say, drum breaks becomes a nightmare, when every hit is on a different track.
 
You will learn quite quickly which note is which kitpiece in Piano Roll. 




I agree! You can also map your keys to show/define each kit piece.
 
Walt
2013/10/10 11:44:03
scook
Using a drum map might help
2013/10/10 11:48:15
Kerch
Thanks, yeah, see, that gets back to the whole "beginner at this" thing. Didn't even realize what a drum map was until recently; Session Drummer I see now just used the one that was already built into the program, and I assumed any new software would do the same thing. I do have one now for AD, though, so that is a big help.
2013/10/10 12:00:43
brundlefly
Kalle Rantaaho
If you have kitpieces on separate MIDI tracks editing, say, drum breaks becomes a nightmare, when every hit is on a different track.



I still often put different pieces or groups of pieces on different tracks as I record them. It's easy enough to show some or all tracks in the PRV together, and then different multi-piece parts (e.g. Hats or Toms) have their own color, making it easier to see what's what. Another reaon I do it is to easily be able to balance the aggressiveness of different pieces/parts by tweaking velocity offset on the track, rather than having to destructively edit and re-edit velocities of individual note numbers in a one-track PRV. Using separate tracks also lets you easily redirect a part to a different synth and/or try different articulations by changing the note offset (transpose) instead of mucking around with Drum Maps or dragging parts around in the PRV.
 
For these and other reasons, I think there's a good argument to be made for breaking parts out to their own tracks as needed, though not for putting every piece on its own track (I would never separate hi hat articulations, for example).
2013/10/10 12:09:03
sharke
Kalle Rantaaho
The "normal" thing to do is routing the MIDI to separate audio tracks, and keep all the MIDI on one track. If you have kitpieces on separate MIDI tracks editing, say, drum breaks becomes a nightmare, when every hit is on a different track.
 
You will learn quite quickly which note is which kitpiece in Piano Roll. 




Not sure if there really is a "normal" thing to do here...I've spoken to many people who split the kit onto separate MIDI tracks, and I do it myself sometimes. The reason being that it's sometimes a lot more convenient to work like this when you're arranging drum parts. For instance, after laying down the kick and snare, you might have 3 or 4 different hat patterns that you want to experiment with. It's way easier to have those hat patterns in their own separate clips that you can audition with the rest of the drums. When all of the kit is in one MIDI track, you find yourself deleting, copying and pasting individual notes to make your arrangement. Much more convenient to be moving clips around instead of notes. Of course, when you're happy with the basic arrangement you can then bounce all of the parts down to one track for the sake of tidiness. 
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