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Have we completely ruled out hope for an X2b before its time for X3

Yes.
 
X2 perfectly balances a de-cluttered interface with low configurability, vintage and new bugs, broken features, difficult to find functions, and a plethora of user discoverable work-arounds.
 
This pig just need a bit more lipstick.
 
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Been using CW products since CW 9.  And every year the same complaints, only different.
 
Finally in  8.5 many of the bugs were fixed and many long ago added features were completed. Still had some garbage. But it was mostly stable, and had a truly user useful interface, with as many or as  little 1-click buttons  (that could access just about any feature/function) a user may want to display.
 
The X series abandoned 10 years of work which had distinguished Sonar as the most versatile of DAWS.  X added an extra layer of interface management that requires more user attention. X is not user useful without learning lots of key-commands to get around all the extra clicks required to do what 8.5 did with 1-click without disturbing the flow of creation.
 
I got 8.5 running fine on window 8 64.
I can adjust envelopes, slip edit, split, move, change AS transients, with ONE hand... WITHOUT having to change an edit filter for each of these actions.
 
I think lanes adds another multi-menu that requires more user attention.
Layers are closer together, hence easier and quicker to edit. (Would be nice if the bugs had been fixed, and the feature set completed.)
 
The stupidity of putting note values on a menu clearly demonstrates the degree of the de-cluttering mental illness that invaded the brains of the CW managers.
 
 
But the X series has a "clean" look just like all the others.  Way satisfying.
 
Well, don't get me started.
 
 
Part of my 10 year list of sonar changes I still want:
 
Ability to change position of effects dialogs: not to span monitors:  In the center of a particular monitor
Ability to connect every function to a button
Bigger node spots and lines for envelopes, with transparency setting. (Way too many false grabs.)
Clone Busses
Clone Track Folders
Current bus should change color to be quickly identified. A little highlighted box is inadequate.
Effects:    reset  to defaults button, all of them
EVERY dialog should have 3 buttons: OK    CANCEL    HELP
FrontPage like graphical view of routings: what is connected to what
Import/Export Projects:  track templates WITH data: audio and midi
Macro language that provides manipulation of all aspects of the program. If CW does not want to do this then publish a SDK so third parties can create such.
Marker color the same as the track selected when created (show/ hide)
Markers  right click a marker and delete, properties
Markers on clips that move with the clip
Microscope tool for audio: sorta like a slide rule, about 2 inches wide, full vertical, works only when stopped, magnification adjustable,           movable horizontally,...  Zooming the full screen is annoying, and disorienting
Move now time, without deselecting clips, by using a command key and mouse button
New open, and save-as, dialogs that remember settings for displaying details and size.
                (The default windows dialogs are a waste of time. especially in windows7)
Outputs/Sends  check marked, as are the inputs; program continuity
SAVE-AS toolbar button, I NEVER use SAVE, only save-as to a new name
Save project on exit:  like auto version save, but put the date-time before the dot.
Scroll bar and zoom gadgets on left of window: optional, 2+ monitors makes these guys way over thar
Show Desktop button to minimize ALL windows, including plugs, to show only the Trackview
Sony type zoom scroll bar gadget function: pull on edges of slider to zoom, very useful
Timer: record/play for X minutes and stop. Is that so wrong?  (I do a lot of cassette, reel dubbing, for self and clients.)
Track Spacers that show in any view. A track spacer with a title and a notepad, and unique color.   (Track folders can not provide this function)
Tracks: Function: Split layers to tracks: create a track for each layer, with routings and effects,…
Tracks: Sort tracks by: order of creation, name, effect, output, default order...
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I can adjust envelopes, slip edit, split, move, change AS transients, with ONE hand... WITHOUT having to change an edit filter for each of these actions.

 
And that's one reason I prefer the X series...  I never did like clicking an icon for every (or close to) action.  I actually like the key+mouse combos much better.  Obviously this is a case of YMMV, but for me the X direction in this area was a good one.
 
 

Bigger node spots and lines for envelopes, with transparency setting.

I like this - a scale option for envelope nodes would be nice.   While I'm OK with the default sizes most of the time, when nodes get close together it can be difficult to grab the right one without zooming in and out.
 

FrontPage like graphical view of routings: what is connected to what

I would like that, or something similar
 

Macro language that provides manipulation of all aspects of the program. If CW does not want to do this then publish a SDK so third parties can create such.

That could be very useful...   S1 and Reaper have done this well.
 

Timer: record/play for X minutes and stop.

That's a neat idea
 
My short list:
- Enhance/tweak Track Lanes (see many previous posts for ideas).  I like them, but I just know I could like them even more...
- Fully colorized track & buss strips ala PT
- The ability to move busses next to tracks (also like PT)
- General color customization, along the lines of 8.5 but with a better interface (Duckbar?)
- A custom toolbox in the Control Bar
- SV enhancements... I rarely use it as-is, but I'd really like to
 

I go to sleep for a month and Mooch wakes up an old fred.

You gotta loves my Moochie.

I loves me colour customization and my notation...please!!!!

Is someone from Cakewalk reading this thread? If not what's the point?

If so, I would like to hit a key - mouse combination, such as CTRL - right click and have all the tracks that you have in your project be visible on the screen. From bottom to top and from right to left. 
 

chasmcg,

While in the Track View
"shift" + "F" key and the complete project will size to fit the window.

Simply pressing the "F" key alone will size all tracks vertically.

TheSteven
- I wish that they'd finally get around fixing this forum so that it was FireFox compatible.

Done!!!!
 
Only took 10 months.
 
That's faster than......  never mind.

I wish for enough money to get X3

chuckebaby
am i the only who watched that video and stop framed it every half second toward the end to read all the improvements?
alot of your requests are in that video.
just click stop/play toward the end and read all the improvements.

Hi - what video clip are you referring to for new release improvements?  I did not see any such link above in this thread.  Have I missed something?
 
Bob Bone
 

Hi, Bob.  This is an old thread that for some odd reason has had the title changed from X2 to X3.
 
He was referring to the X2 pre-release video.