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2017/12/20 13:31:04
RexRed
How has it been running?
 
Is it stable, and do you also use Melodyne Studio?
 
What kind of audio interface are you using?
 
I am using Roland Quad Capture.
 
I use it mostly for either a phantom powered mic or a 1/4 inch instrument plugin.
 
I am wondering if the on-board sound card with a USB mic might do better?
 
Also a USB 1/4 inch dongle for instrument interface might be better. More stable.
 
Thoughts? 
2017/12/20 13:52:11
RexRed
I am planning on buying a 12 or 14 core I9 with a MSI X299 Tomahawk Mobo.
 
I want the best stability and latency.
 
I would think the onboard sound would out perform my Roland Quad capture.
2017/12/20 14:09:02
slyman
Upgrading your PC is good, no doubt,  but If you want best stability and latency, I would personally keep some money and invest in another interface. Nothing against Roland or onboard stuff, but you can get better round trip latency performance elsewhere. 
2017/12/20 14:58:40
RexRed
Hey Slyman, I am just considering all of my options.
The USB 30 interfaces run 250 and up.
 
An integrated sound card I think would connect directly with the PCIe lane.
 
I can't imagine there would be any latency in an I9 setup.
 
I never record more than one instrument at a time. 
 
Problem is most of these cables such as the one listed below are USB 2.0.
 
The 3.0 ones are not out yet, at least I can't find them.
 
Another problem, the two studio mics I own are both phantom powered. 
 
Here is a converter XLR to USB 2.0
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B019GYKGRC/_encoding=UTF8?coliid=I34UDAOX7DT5O4&colid=3NUNXI9X55IF5&psc=0
 
Here is a converter for 1/4 inch to USB.
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/accessories/roland-digital-converter-cable-1-4--usb/j51801000001000?skuId=site1skuJ51801000001000
 
I find the drivers written for audio interfaces are terrible in general.
 
I would really miss an external volume knob for sound and 1/4 inch outputs for my powered speakers..
 
I will probably take your advice and buy a new audio interface.
 
What do you think of the Zoom ones?
 
After the I9 this will be my price range for an audio interface.
 
Zoom UAC-2 Two-Channel USB 3.0 SuperSpeed Audio Interface for Mac and PC
https://smile.amazon.com/Zoom-UAC-2-Two-Channel-SuperSpeed-Interface/dp/B00ZY33B40/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1513781589&sr=8-1&keywords=THE+ZOOM+UAC-2
 
The hardware landscape seems to be changing rapidly I have never heard of Zoom before...
 
 
 
2017/12/20 17:17:43
JonD
slyman
... I would personally keep some money and invest in another interface. Nothing against Roland or onboard stuff, but you can get better round trip latency performance elsewhere.



Huh?  OP isn't complaining about his interface.... There are hundreds (thousands?) of users here who are using interfaces with "okay" latency.  IOW, not everyone needs super low round-trip latency.  Basically, if you play on a midi keyboard and not detect any noticeable lag, that's probably good enough for many (if not most) users. 
 
What's most important to us are low one-way latency and solid drivers.  Would I like to have an RME or Thunderbolt device?  Sure.  But it wouldn't significantly change my workflow or productivity (except for bragging rights). 
 
BTW, Roland is hardly on the same level as "onboard stuff" even though you lumped them together.
2017/12/20 18:59:57
RexRed
I am running Cakewalk Sonar platinum on a PC with 8 GB of DDR 2 ram that is 667 mhz. (really slow)
 
The new PC the ram 32 GB will be DDR4 3000 mhz. Quite a jump!
 
Plus the processor, my current machine is 
Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 (2.40GHz) (non multi threaded)
 
The new processor will be 3.3 GHZ X 12 cores.
 
My question is, wouldn't the integrated sound in this new PC coupled with the processors and ram speed at some point surpass the circuitry in the Roland Quad Capture? 
 
I would think the latency and speed of this integrated sound "Realtek" would far surpass that of the Quad Capture' inner circuitry... This is a tomahawk MSI x299 motherboard.
 
I love my quad capture but to me it seems obsolete?
 
Is this correct reasoning? I should be able to hook up numerous mics and inputs directly through USB?
 
Thoughts? 
2017/12/20 20:09:56
Muziekschuur at home
A fast SSD will allso help. And help you get the most out of the Roland. You will be fine. 
2017/12/20 20:19:57
JonD
RexRed
My question is, wouldn't the integrated sound in this new PC coupled with the processors and ram speed at some point surpass the circuitry in the Roland Quad Capture? 
 
I would think the latency and speed of this integrated sound "Realtek" would far surpass that of the Quad Capture' inner circuitry... This is a tomahawk MSI x299 motherboard.
 
I love my quad capture but to me it seems obsolete?



Short answer -- no.
 
Having a powerful PC helps overall, but it doesn't make the integrated sound card any more attractive. Also, remember that your Quad Capture benefits from the powerful PC as well.
 
Compared to any integrated sound card, your Quad Capture has better components, features, sound quality, and most importantly, custom drivers.  ASIO drivers are designed with low-latency multi-track recording in mind, where as integrated sound cards are designed for general sound duties at the cheapest cost.
 
Unless you're having problems with the QC (and it doesn't sound like you are), there's no reason to replace it -- and even if you did, you certainly shouldn't with an integrated sound card. That would be a step backwards in every way.
2017/12/20 20:51:45
slyman
JonD
slyman
... I would personally keep some money and invest in another interface. Nothing against Roland or onboard stuff, but you can get better round trip latency performance elsewhere.



Huh?  OP isn't complaining about his interface.... There are hundreds (thousands?) of users here who are using interfaces with "okay" latency.  IOW, not everyone needs super low round-trip latency.  Basically, if you play on a midi keyboard and not detect any noticeable lag, that's probably good enough for many (if not most) users. 

 
Then you don't need an i9 for that either...i5 is plenty. 
If you read his second post, OP says he wants the best stability and latency.
To achieve that. a fast computer is only half the battle.
 
2017/12/20 21:15:24
RexRed
I also render 3D graphics and work heavily with Adobe After Effects and Premiere I use tons of video layers and effects.
 
I also am an avid gamer, so the I9 is an all in one solution.  
 
My current PC processors bog down quick when I make a Cakewalk project even reasonably complex.
 
I would like to use effects like perfect space but forget that.
 
I would also like to maybe even develop VR environments and stream video gaming. Eventually maybe even edit 4k.
 
My current processor won't even play 4k and I paid 500 for my graphics card way back when.
 
Time to upgrade and beat the crowd to then next evolution in processors.
 
18 Cores? That could cut some of my rendering times from days to minutes. :)
 
I also like to mix and master simultaneously.  I have never been one to mix and render then master.
 
I keep my projects slim so I can accomplish both. The time I save being able to tweak my mixes in realtime is worth being frugal with effects and layered tracks. 
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