@Vladasyn - I wasn't at all trying to suggest that normalize was used heavily. I was just suggesting that as you can map buttons on the Alpha Track to shortcut commands in Sonar, so too it would be nice to be able to do the same in Sonar.
 
For example, with the fast track, you can map the 8 buttons to different functions while editing and then switch them while tracking. Similarly, we could have custom buttons that we could map any way that we want. You could have your Undo button, others could have something else. They could have assignable mappings tied to screen-set.
 
A number of people have mentioned the alternatives that most of us use. Mapping to midi keys... or using controllers or ctlr+z. And you've stated why you don't want these solutions.
 
Hear that I'm with you. I was just trying to lay it out in a way where the Development Team isn't making a change for you ONLY. If they make it customizable, then you can get what you want while creating a widget that can be used by many for various purposes.
 
There aren't many people clamoring for the undo button. Getting critical mass may happen if we ask for assignable buttons (like on the Alpha Track).

vladasyn
Noel, I never in my life in any other program used Keyboard Shortcuts. There is totally different workflow. Many people do everything with mouse. I do not do "Control A, Control C, Control V" in word- I use mouse. Wireless mouse is small and fits on any keyboard just fine. One problem with it is that it falls down when you play. Now- carrying keyboard AND mouse AND mouse pad every time is difficult. I had to place monitor on the keyboard to be able to press "Play", "Record" and such. Yes, I know- I can press the bar on keyboard to start playback. But I would not know how to engage Record or select a track- one way or another- the monitor is needed to be able to see the wav clip appearance, pics and so on. While I can see how Normalize button may be nice, nobody uses Normalize continuously over and over and over. Undo- when I record a phrase- I some time make 50 takes. I would play the same thing over and over and over and over until every note is in place. The I record filters Cutof/Reso/Modulation, and such. Those take multiple takes to get it right. So if I do 50 takes, with 1 step Undo, it is 50 clicks. With 3 steps undo- it is 150 clicks. That hurts. How can you say that Undo is a clutter? I did not get full understanding of this new feature that makes little takes within the track. This may be helpful, but I do not need to collect bad takes. When it is bad, I know- I want it to be gone, therefore- UNDO. 150 clicks is frustrating. Other than play- can you name one function that is used that many times?

with undo history, removing 50 takes is still only three clicks :)
 
shortcuts:
 
I think you are missing a huge potential improvement in productivity... keyboard shortcuts are called shortcuts for a reason.. they are quicker and easier than navigating to a menu with a mouse. Some of the recent features in x2 and x3 will save me a sizeable percentage of time on task..
 
some suggestions:..
 
I also similarly make multiple takes, and subsequently multiple takes for controllers at times.. I don't care about the number of takes..nor do I bother with "undo" for a bad take.. I move on..  the lanes bad takes reside in can be deleted when i clean up.. to me, time at the synth is data collection only. this approach may work for you also.
 
If you have issues locating your mouse on your controller keyboard.. get a trackball.. if you have room for something else on the left, get a game controller for keyboard shortcuts... I have a belkin nt52. its only 5" wide and can be programmed with a sizeable arsenal of shortcuts to your liking...and a bunch of macros... the possibilities are quite endless.
 
 
regards

Noel, thank you for the suggestion. I have no idea how to implement this, also it does not sound great, but I will take a look in to it.
 
This thread was intended for those who needs Undo button. I appreciate the suggestions, but there is no need to post, "I do not need Undo button". It only contradicts the effort of those who needs it and dissolves their requests, making them less relevant. I hope nobody here would have a problem with us having it. These are 2 small buttons- it does not take that much space on the interface. So if you don't need it, you don't have to use it. It used to be customizable- I would like to have the Module that used to contain Undo.  This is vital function for me. I felt like my hands were cut off when it disappeared. I am not asking for the work around. I am asking if it can be made available again. I am sure there more than one user in the world that needs it, and there is no harm from it. So, please, support the initiative! Thank you for your replies.

vladasyn
Noel, thank you for the suggestion. I have no idea how to implement this, also it does not sound great, but I will take a look in to it.
 
This thread was intended for those who needs Undo button. I appreciate the suggestions, but there is no need to post, "I do not need Undo button". It only contradicts the effort of those who needs it and dissolves their requests, making them less relevant. I hope nobody here would have a problem with us having it. These are 2 small buttons- it does not take that much space on the interface. So if you don't need it, you don't have to use it. It used to be customizable- I would like to have the Module that used to contain Undo.  This is vital function for me. I felt like my hands were cut off when it disappeared. I am not asking for the work around. I am asking if it can be made available again. I am sure there more than one user in the world that needs it, and there is no harm from it. So, please, support the initiative! Thank you for your replies.

I suggest you take a poll to see how many users besides yourself would like to see the Undo button restored. So far it's one...
BTW, Why do you even need the Undo button? If you're doing several takes to get that perfect one, why not just record over the previous one. You can even use short cuts on your keyboard to hit stop, record, play. Hitting undo each time adds another step.
Walt

if you wish to add a feature then that is the place to go...however if you post in the forum you can reasonably expect folks to have a discussion on it.
 
I would recommend however that you consider minor workflow adjustments to make your life easier, rather than waiting for Sonar to adapt to you... particularly binding a midi event to undo from your controller as suggested by Noel.
 

scook

vladasyn
Where is the features request thread?

Link to feature request form in here http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/2839291

vladasyn
Noel, I never in my life in any other program used Keyboard Shortcuts. There is totally different workflow. Many people do everything with mouse. I do not do "Control A, Control C, Control V" in word- I use mouse. 

 
I'm not sure you understand what we're suggesting here..
 
MIDI key bindings has nothing to do with your qwerty-keyboard.
 
Instead you use your MIDI-controller's piano keys to control Sonar.
 
With your many MIDI-keyboards this really would be the best way for you to control Sonar. Much better than reaching for the mouse all the time OR reaching for ctrl+z
 
In all your posts you have not mentioned anything about this suggestion yet, which makes me wonder if you've understood what we're talking about..? Please try this out. It's a great feature.

Personally, I'm old and don't like to have to learn new ways of doing simple things. I don't want to be forced to learn a bunch of keyboard shortcuts. Yeah, I know, it's what "everybody else" is doing but, why can't we have the choice? Is it that difficult to implement?
Yeah, I know I'm old and stuck in my ways but, it is what it is.

I have been using the X-keys products for years   www.piengineering.com/xkeys.php    ...economical, configurable and a variety of sizes. 
 
 

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