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2013/10/07 05:41:48
markyzno
Bristol_Jonesey
I don't think anyone has said this yet, but forget about egg crates!!!
 
All they'll do is kill your high end and do nothing about the other 80% of the audio spectrum




+1
Egg crates are a myth!! As is straw and hay!!!

This show should help you get on your way http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02qpJt0hsL0
2013/10/07 06:54:59
ston
clintmartin
...or Ik Multimedia's ARC 2.


That's just for monitoring though isn't it, i.e. it wouldn't help with recording (??)
 
For my monitors/bedroom, I created my own 'ARC 2' and saved myself £185:
 

 
That's a stack of 3x Parametrics and I'm using channel tools for a bit of make-up gain.  Gives me a pretty flat response for monitoring.  There's a couple of massive room modes at ~140Hz and ~220Hz.  The whole room rings like a nasty bell in the upper frequencies too hence the broader cut centered about 4KHz.  There's still a tiny bit of correction to be made around the tricky 85Hz region, but I can't do anything else with the EQs else they start ringing.  The above is in an FX Chain which I load into the master bus then forget about it.
 
It's made a world of difference to my mixing, my mixes finally translate well to other playback situations (hifi, laptop headphones at work etc.)
 
 
2013/10/07 10:10:07
SvenArne
Bristol_Jonesey
I don't think anyone has said this yet, but forget about egg crates!!!
 
All they'll do is kill your high end and do nothing about the other 80% of the audio spectrum




You use painted egg crates for diffusion (because of their shape), not absorbtion. They should have a broadband effect in theory, but I don't know how much difference (if any) they would make in a small room.
2013/10/07 11:34:47
djtrailmixxx
You need to spend some time in this forum at Gearslutz: http://www.gearslutz.com/board/studio-building-acoustics/
Lots of good information there.
 
Watch lots of videos on Youtube as well: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=accoustic+treatment&oq=accousti&gs_l=youtube.3.0.35i39j0i10l9.79.1154.0.3154.7.7.0.0.0.0.172.707.4j3.7.0...0.0...1ac.1.11.youtube.Q0VdNWJIyQI
 
You are better off informing yourself before you spend any money. Don't waste your money on foam, you are better off buying some Rockwool and/or OC 703 and wrapping with breathable cloth. You can start with a few pieces of DIY treatment and add more as you go.
 
2013/10/07 11:40:50
Mistergreen
djtrailmixxx
You need to spend some time in this forum at Gearslutz: http://www.gearslutz.com/board/studio-building-acoustics/
Lots of good information there.
 
Watch lots of videos on Youtube as well: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=accoustic+treatment&oq=accousti&gs_l=youtube.3.0.35i39j0i10l9.79.1154.0.3154.7.7.0.0.0.0.172.707.4j3.7.0...0.0...1ac.1.11.youtube.Q0VdNWJIyQI
 
You are better off informing yourself before you spend any money. Don't waste your money on foam, you are better off buying some Rockwool and/or OC 703 and wrapping with breathable cloth. You can start with a few pieces of DIY treatment and add more as you go.
 




+1 on building your own acoustic panels.
2013/10/07 11:42:04
WallyG
BMOG
For the more experience producers in this forum, if you record in a small room do you have any wall treatments to help take away some of reflections of sound off the wall?  If so what do you use, I have always wondered if Egg crate foam would work as a cheap work around?




I used "Real Traps". Room originaly sounded like an echo chamber and usuable as a music room. After the installation of the Real Traps it was like night and day!
 
Walt
2013/10/07 11:51:28
Razorwit
Hi BMOG,
Hm...you probably need to specify if you're referring to tracking or mixing when you say "recording in a small room". Tracking of instruments in small, treated rooms is done frequently and with good results. Even large multi-room studios track individual instruments (voice, guitar, bass) in small heavily treated rooms...they're just called iso booths (Whisper Rooms are super common in VO). In fact, in my experience, use of iso booths for amps and singers for bands that want to track multiple instruments simultaneously is extremely common. Dropping an amp or a singer in a booth happens all the time.
 
If you are tracking in a small room you ABSOLUTELY want reflection control...usually lots of it.
 
For mixing it's a bit different. Larger rooms are nice, and the rule is construction first, treatement second and EQ third. That is, first construct the room appropriately (dimension ratios matter here, as does square footage and wall placement), next treat, and finally EQ. Keep in mind that treatment is a poor substitute for construction, and EQ is a poor substitute for treatment, but they all support one another and there is always overlap. Bottom line: particularly for mixing, anyone that thinks that an 8x10x8 rectangular room with no treatment and ARC2 running on the 2-bus is just as good as a real mixing space is kidding themselves. You may be able to get reasonable mixes with some practice in that room, but a real mixing space will be WAY easier and almost certainly improve your results.
 
Good luck,
Dean
2013/10/07 14:09:07
SvenArne
WallyG
 
 
I used "Real Traps". Room originaly sounded like an echo chamber and usuable as a music room. After the installation of the Real Traps it was like night and day!
 
Walt




Nice place. Futurism + Accordion!
2013/10/07 14:35:18
WallyG
SvenArne
WallyG
 
 
I used "Real Traps". Room originaly sounded like an echo chamber and usuable as a music room. After the installation of the Real Traps it was like night and day!
 
Walt




Nice place. Futurism + Accordion!




I knew I would get a comment about the accordion. Actually that one is "Futurism". It's a new Roland FR-8x Virtual Accordion. I like to play a lot of different styles as you might suspect from the equipment. Check out this You Tube video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWXhJKl7A0U for someone who does incredible stuff with a V-Acc. A different style but keep an open mind. The last piece Carnival of Venice is amazing. (Not my cup of tea but still amazing what he does with a keyboard).
 
Walt
2013/10/08 04:52:36
Bristol_Jonesey
ston
clintmartin
...or Ik Multimedia's ARC 2.


That's just for monitoring though isn't it, i.e. it wouldn't help with recording (??)
 
For my monitors/bedroom, I created my own 'ARC 2' and saved myself £185:
 

 
That's a stack of 3x Parametrics and I'm using channel tools for a bit of make-up gain.  Gives me a pretty flat response for monitoring.  There's a couple of massive room modes at ~140Hz and ~220Hz.  The whole room rings like a nasty bell in the upper frequencies too hence the broader cut centered about 4KHz.  There's still a tiny bit of correction to be made around the tricky 85Hz region, but I can't do anything else with the EQs else they start ringing.  The above is in an FX Chain which I load into the master bus then forget about it.
 
It's made a world of difference to my mixing, my mixes finally translate well to other playback situations (hifi, laptop headphones at work etc.)
 
 


If you feel the need to add any more treatment, these guys are pretty cheap, and they sell a wide variety of foam-based solutions, all the way up to 100MM (4")


 http://www.acoustic-foam.co.uk/
 
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