I want to capture the wave form to two audio tracks so I can slice and dice it with some of the X1 Ginsu knives.  I don't want to mess around with freezing, and the batch process (tracks/Bounce to Audio) tends to divorce me from the task of "doing it" dynamically, that is, while the project is running with the big red "R" button lit up. 
 
How best to do this?  I tried using a bus, but this didn't work; it looks like Busses can't be directed back to tracks...unless I did something wrong.
 
For now I want to do it with one VST stereo output, but eventually I will want to use multiple-outs for those VSTs that support more than one.
 
Thoughts?

A VST what? Instrument? FX? Vocoder?

Your question is too vague for me to understand what you want to do.

Sorry.  An FX doesn't usually generate sound on its own, so I was referring to a VST Instrument.  I want to capture the instrument's audio to a track while the project is recording.

You can check "all synths outputs to mono" in the "insert synth options" when you add a VSTi and have two audio tracks each mono for a VSTi that supports one stereo out. There are choices for VSTi that support multiple outputs also.

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Sorry.  An FX doesn't usually generate sound on its own, so I was referring to a VST Instrument.  I want to capture the instrument's audio to a track while the project is recording.

That you cannot do without using routing external to Sonar.

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Sorry.  An FX doesn't usually generate sound on its own, so I was referring to a VST Instrument.  I want to capture the instrument's audio to a track while the project is recording.

That you cannot do without using routing external to Sonar.

Really?

"And Cubase scores!" 

Okay, just having some fun with ya.  But yes, I was able to do it Saturday in Cubase without doing any external routing. 
 
So how can I do this with Sonar and external routing?  I currently use a Presonus Fire Studio Project with lots of ins/outs.
And how can I avoid latency problems?
 
Thanks!

You are not having any fun with me, as such, because this one of my favourite things about Ableton Live, the ability to freely route any output to any input.

However, I should note that I have been told by people on this forum with way more posts than me that I don't need this feature, so I must be mistaken as to it's usefulness.

You may be able to route the signal digitally with the Presonus' own mixer thingy, at least I think it has one.

(edit) page 22 of your manual the "Universal Control".

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I want to capture the wave form to two audio tracks so I can slice and dice it with some of the X1 Ginsu knives.  I don't want to mess around with freezing, and the batch process (tracks/Bounce to Audio) tends to divorce me from the task of "doing it" dynamically, that is, while the project is running with the big red "R" button lit up. 
 
How best to do this?  I tried using a bus, but this didn't work; it looks like Busses can't be directed back to tracks...unless I did something wrong.
 
For now I want to do it with one VST stereo output, but eventually I will want to use multiple-outs for those VSTs that support more than one.
 
Thoughts?

I'm just thinking out loud here because I'm not at my DAW and actually in my bedroom -- but, why can't you just route to an input of your soundcard (ie out to in) but turn off the output of the routed track.   Then it should record just like a tape deck.  I used to do it, and I would tell you in detail if I was at my DAW.

But you have to setup the routing right or you'll get 'everything' instead of just the one vst you want.

Example (I'm going from memory here):  Route the send of the VST to the ASIO return if you have one (if not, just use an IN), but don't have the send bus routed anywhere or you'll get a loopback/feedback loop.

Before we had freezing I used to do some tricks that way.

It's not unlike setting up a headphone mix, as another example.

Another idea:   Put a sampler in the FX Bin (like MOTU's BPM Sampler, or NI's Maschine if you have that - and there are some free ones I think?) and just capture it.

You can route a virtual instrument to as many audio tracks as you want. But if you want to print the audio you have to freeze (or bounce) the track.