Brando

stevec
I would also like to see improved notation.  It's not the most critical thing to me, though, and never has been.   ARA, the new comp stuff and track colors are things that are likely to affect my use of SONAR more than improved notation.  But with that said, I think it's time for CW to start addressing this one area that has been left behind for a looong time.  I also think it helps that CW seems to be tying up some loose ends in X3 that will hopefully allow the time to finally put some focus on notation.  

This is how I feel about it also. Very happy with X3 but wish it could have included something to fix some long standing notation issues - still thinking that cake is leaning towards some type of 3rd party solution (music XML like) but hopefully they don't lose sight of many users' desire for enhanced score editing for COMPOSITION - many people still think it's about printing scores from Sonar.
My feedback on the recent survey included both notation and video improvements even though neither are anything I do much with currently - I just see them as necessary and important tools in a world class daw- have to believe a lot of feedback was similar.

I am not sure exactly how ARA works, but I believe there is a MIDI component to it.  I don't know how much longer I can hold out, but I hope that there is a way to integrate a 3rd party notation editor into Sonar X.  The bakers are not going to write one from scratch.  Actually, this could work out well - only those who give a damn could go out an buy a 3rd party notation editor, everyone else could just continue using the existing SV.
 
UPDATE:  I have it on the best authority that even though ARA has a MIDI component to it, it is only for displaying audio - so ARA is for audio only.  Never mind.

sharke

kelsoz

yevster
Ok, let's all say it together. On three. One...two...three... SONAR IS NOT A NOTATION PROGRAM

But it is a pro program, it does have a notation view, and it can't manage triplets, and it has been that way for over a decade.  I don't need pro features here, I do need correctness.

I agree - saying that Sonar is not a notation program is like saying that Sonar is not a step sequencer program or a Matrix program. No one feature "defines" the program, it  is a program of many features and they all should work well. 

Ok, let's all say it together. On three. One... two... three... REAL MUSICIANS DON'T USE TRIPLETS!!!

Again - Finale can frequently be had on sale for $99.  While that does not address the question about existing notation working better in Sonar, if notation is THAT critical, then why not pick up the dedicated Finale, or something like it?
 
Please do not misunderstand where my sentiments lie on the above.  I too wish Sonar was better at notation.  But, if I absolutely had to either spend 2+ hours every time I wanted to sequence in notes that theoretically could be drawn in about 10 minutes, or pick up a dedicated notation component, then spending $99 for Finale would be a no-brainer.
 
Sonar comes with Dimension Pro, but I still went out and picked up Komplete 8 Ultimate, because it is just better.
 
Bob Bone
 

Does finale also have a matrix view and unlimited audio tracks with rock solid double precision mix engine and a fully integrated track view?
 
Using two apps to perform one task is so... 2001...
 
Anyway. There are options. And by "options" I mean... well you know what I mean...

keith
Using two apps to perform one task is so... 2001...

I agree. Now, if you'll excuse me, I have a spreadsheet I need to edit in Microsoft Word.

keith
Does finale also have a matrix view and unlimited audio tracks with rock solid double precision mix engine and a fully integrated track view? Using two apps to perform one task is so... 2001... Anyway. There are options. And by "options" I mean... well you know what I mean...

Absolutely. It is integration we are after, and not full blown notation for publishing. It's the 21st century - not KCS Dr. T and Copyist. Cube, PT, Logic have notation editors, and they keep improving it - come on. It is not entering an entire piece note by note - it could be some entry, editing notes / chords, and printing a basic part or lead sheet. Do people enter entire pieces in the PRV? It's usually mix of live entry, step entiry, and editing.

yevster

keith
Using two apps to perform one task is so... 2001...

I agree. Now, if you'll excuse me, I have a spreadsheet I need to edit in Microsoft Word.

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Brian

robert_e_bone
Again - Finale can frequently be had on sale for $99.  While that does not address the question about existing notation working better in Sonar, if notation is THAT critical, then why not pick up the dedicated Finale, or something like it?
 
Please do not misunderstand where my sentiments lie on the above.  I too wish Sonar was better at notation.  But, if I absolutely had to either spend 2+ hours every time I wanted to sequence in notes that theoretically could be drawn in about 10 minutes, or pick up a dedicated notation component, then spending $99 for Finale would be a no-brainer.
 
Sonar comes with Dimension Pro, but I still went out and picked up Komplete 8 Ultimate, because it is just better.
 
Bob Bone
 

Because a separate notation app is not the same as notation in a DAW.  Composing inside the DAW is what is needed.  ReWire is not a solution either.  I have Sibelius and Notion but I still needed notation in a DAW so I was forced to buy Cubase 7.

robert_e_bone
Just curious - I have posted a couple of times that Finale has a once in a while sale on Finale - for $99.

better yet, buy notion - for 99 bucks (finale 2012 is only 32bit) and then crossgrade to sibelius 7 for $150 at sweetwater.  both are x64 and rewire compatible - notion can even be used as a host and slave.

vintagevibe
 
Because a separate notation app is not the same as notation in a DAW.  Composing inside the DAW is what is needed.  ReWire is not a solution either.  I have Sibelius and Notion but I still needed notation in a DAW so I was forced to buy Cubase 7.

i was looking forward to the notaion aspect of cubase 7 until i used it.  i was stunned that i grabbed a triad and moved it up and it only moved each note by semitones, and not according to key.  that's something i had become so used to in sonar that it was just... well... disappointing...