• SONAR
  • Note duration times of "zero" when recording midi with a drum pad (Bug? *youtube video*)
2013/10/01 09:29:39
bandso
This one has driven me nuts for about a month now. I use a Simmons midi drum pad to record midi drum parts. All of the recorded note lengths (from the drum pad) in the PRV are quite small, but about one in 10 notes show up as a single dot on the PRV. These "dot" notes do indeed play on playback with the rest of the drums. However if try to select all of the notes in the clip and quantize the note duration into say 1/16 notes, these  "dot" notes do not quantize. After further examination I've found out that they have a note duration of zero and even the selection tool will not select them. As soon as I change them to any value larger than zero (by left clicking on them), then I can select and quantize them properly. Shouldn't EVERY note recorded have a duration larger than zero? If I have played several hundred notes on a take, having to go back in and manually adjust each of these tiny note's duration is a royal PITA. This looks su****iously like a bug to me, but I've never submitted a bug report so I'm not sure where to go from here.
Thanks
 
Here is a video of the error:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dq7rVwg5HfI
2013/10/01 09:41:06
ampfixer
I've never run into that problem. I'm using an Alesis control pad or keyboard. It sounds more like a communication issue between the pad and the computer.
2013/10/01 09:54:43
bandso
The note duration would have to be larger than zero if it is showing up on the PRV and does playback (as is the case). Some data is getting into the DAW or it wouldn't show at all. Wouldn't "some" data have a longer duration than zero? 
2013/10/01 10:03:30
brundlefly
bandso
I use a Simmons midi drum pad to record midi drum parts.

 
It's up to the drum controller to generate a suitable duration (i.e. delay between Note On and Note Off messages). SONAR just records what it receives. Check the Simmons documentation.
 
The two workarounds are:
 
1. Select the the entire clip after recording and set a duration of 60-120 in the Event Inspector module of the Control Bar.
2. Always use a drum map, and edit in the Drum Pane of the PRV where drum hits are shown with a special icon that does not show duration.
 
 
2013/10/01 10:36:49
bandso
brundlefly
bandso
I use a Simmons midi drum pad to record midi drum parts.

 
It's up to the drum controller to generate a suitable duration (i.e. delay between Note On and Note Off messages). SONAR just records what it receives. Check the Simmons documentation.
 
The two workarounds are:
 
1. Select the the entire clip after recording and set a duration of 60-120 in the Event Inspector module of the Control Bar.
2. Always use a drum map, and edit in the Drum Pane of the PRV where drum hits are shown with a special icon that does not show duration.
 
 




I've got to disagree on this one. Simple error checking in sonar would fix this. If a note exists and its duration is less than one then set it to one.
 
1. Select the the entire clip after recording and set a duration of 60-120 in the Event Inspector module of the Control Bar
 
Thank you 1000x for this! Excellent! I'll try this later.
 
2. Always use a drum map,
Why always use a drum map?  I drag the note to find the sound I want.
 
and edit in the Drum Pane of the PRV where drum hits are shown with a special icon that does not show duration.
 
and where might this "special icon that does not show duration" be located?
 
Thanks again!!!
2013/10/01 10:39:08
bandso
I did go ahead and submit a bug report to the bakers just to give them a heads up. CWBRN-20041
2013/10/01 10:52:45
scook
bandso
 
2. Always use a drum map,
Why always use a drum map?  I drag the note to find the sound I want.
 
and edit in the Drum Pane of the PRV where drum hits are shown with a special icon that does not show duration.
 
and where might this "special icon that does not show duration" be located?
 


A drum map uses the drum grid pane in the PRV. You can drag notes there just like the note pane. The drum grid pane displays notes the same regardless of duration.
2013/10/01 11:07:56
bandso
Thank you all for the help. I'll look into using the maps tonight when I get home. So I take it that selecting multiple notes and draging them around works the same as in the PRV?
2013/10/01 11:13:46
mcdonalk
Are you sure that your drum controller is not sending notes with a duration of 0? I know that, with my DrumKat, for example, the note duration that it transmits for a pad is configurable.
2013/10/01 11:15:07
scook
It is the PRV, just a different pane. The drum grid pane is above the note pane in the PRV. Selections work the same in both panes.
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