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2013/10/02 08:40:55
dwardzala
When recording some guitar tracks last night, I noticed some unexpected (at least to me) behavior when working with take lanes and planning to comp.
 
I set the record method to comping and played my guitar part.  Then I clicked on the take lane icon in the track, muted the first take and played a second part.  The second part went into the T2 lane.  I played an third part and the waveform was showing in the main track while I was playing but disappeared after I hit stop.  I found out later that it recorded it to the T2 lane (not overwriting the wave that was already there).
 
I would have thought that being in comp mode would automatically place the new audio in its own lane.  Is this designed behavior, user error or something not working right?
 
Note - I was not looping (I hit record at the beginning of each take and stop at the end) and I did not use take lanes in X2 much.
2013/10/02 08:55:55
FastBikerBoy
Not sure whether you've hit on a bug or not but if record mode is "comping" there's no need to mute the previous take, that happens automatically. Yes eachtake should go into it's own lane.
2013/10/02 09:16:47
dwardzala
Hmm,  I will reconfirm tonight that I had the record mode set to comping, but I am pretty sure I did.
 
I definitely had to manually mute the previous take (makes me think maybe I inadvertantly CTRL-Z'd out of comping mode or something).
2013/10/02 09:33:37
Dan Cate [Cakewalk]
Hi Dave,
 
A condition where this could happen is if you armed the lane instead of the parent track. Each lane has it's own record arm button. If this is armed, that take will be overwritten. 
 
Hope this helps.
2013/10/02 09:40:29
brundlefly
dwardzala
I found out later that it recorded it to the T2 lane (not overwriting the wave that was already there).

Are you saying you ended up with overlapped clips in the same take lane? That shouldn't be possible, and you should report it if you can reproduce it. I tried your sequence, and got a new T3 lane as expected.
 
Comping mode should automatically place takes in new lanes, but I've found that you still need to have Create New Lanes on Overlap enabled in order for the muting to take place, which is a little weird. Actually, Sound on Sound mode also creates new lanes on overlap automatically, and Overwrite won't create overlaps, so I think that option just needs to go away now.
 
EDIT: Oops. Didn't see Dan's post. Dan, what do you think about having to have Create New Clips on Overlap enabled in order for muting to take place in Comping mode? That doesn't seem right to me.
2013/10/02 09:49:26
dwardzala
Dan Cate [Cakewalk]
Hi Dave,
 
A condition where this could happen is if you armed the lane instead of the parent track. Each lane has it's own record arm button. If this is armed, that take will be overwritten. 
 
Hope this helps.


This was definitely not the case - the parent track was the one that was armed.  I'll try to reproduce it when I get home and note the various settings I was using.
2013/10/02 19:01:19
dwardzala
OK, so I just tried what I did last night again.  Here are the settings and workflow.
 
Record mode is comping.
Create new lanes on overlap is checked.
Store takes in a single track is checked (under looping).
 
1) Arm guitar track.
2) Record guitar track (through TH2 - if it matters).
3) Open take lanes - previously recorded material goes into T1 but is not muted.
4) Mute T1.
5) Record second take - wave form shows in main track during recording but disappears (moves to T1) upon stop.
 
Is this correct behavior?
 
If I add T2, it will record to T2, so that will be my workflow if the above behavior is expected.
 
Obviously, I thought that a new take would be created if record was hit after stopping in comping mode, but if that's not the case I can adapt easily.
2013/10/02 23:01:56
stevec
FWIW, I think the clip on Lane 1 probably isn't muted because you haven't recorded anything else to that track yet.  If you skip step 4, is lane 1 muted while recording the second take?
 
For step 5, are lanes still open?   What happens if you perform steps 1 thru 5 (except step 4) without ever opening lanes?
 
I've only had a short time to play around with the new comp tools, but my limited tests seem to work OK.
 
2013/10/03 06:54:34
dwardzala
If I don't mute T1, it plays while recording the second take.
 
I will have to try playing a second take without opening lanes when I get home (but I expect the behavior to be recording over the first track.)
2013/10/03 07:25:16
gswitz
The new behavior of Take Lanes is that the most recent lane sorts to the top. (This is new).
 
The wave form view when lanes are collapsed is whatever is selected as the composite track... so most recent lane OR mixture of selected clips from various lanes.
 
When I try what you posted, it seems to work as I expect.
 
It is not necessary to MUTE take lanes between start and stop record using the COMPING record method. I just tried and it works. If you record 1/2 a track. Hit stop. RTZ (rewind). then hit R again, you will not hear the previous take (this without muting the previous take or takes).
 
For me, on the second record, I get a new lane (T2) which has the first take in it. I also get a new lane (T1) which has the latest recording in it.
 
 Further behavior is that when your second take isn't as long as your first take, the composite track will be the full length of the second take -- THEN the remaining length of the first take. In other words, the second take fills in after the first take stops. Think how handy this behavior would be for punching! You could punch in on a long take and it would automatically add crossfades and keep your latest punch. The full length of the track would still be there!! only the punch range would get replaced.
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