chuckebaby
Trying to justify your use of cracked software by gift wrapping it with "I buy what I like".
 
That's weak.

Spending 1000's of dollars on software you don't like is just flat out stupid.
 
Now while continuing using cracked software is undoubtedly wrong there is nothing weak about admitting you were wrong.
 
Weakness grows and festers into complete dishonesty in those who refuse to admit to owning any faults and never acknowledging making mistakes.
 
I must applaud and give kudos to e3po for honesty and integrity. And thank you, I really got a chuckle out of the topic this post.  And I'm quite confident purchasing SONAR Pro will not only be the best $200(us) investment you may ever make, it will surely give you many years of service and pleasure of creating music even if Gibson and Cakewalk can't recover.
 
And to any and all of highbrow you posers pointing fingers and pretending to be perfect and forever walk upon God's grey Earth without sin........... All I can say is ppPPPPPPPPPPPPbbbbbbbTTTTTTTTHHZZZzzzz! 

I have at least 30 songs/projects in sonar right now and my number one goal is to get them out and into another DAW before some windows update wrecks it.  It might happen in a year, 6 months or next Tuesday but it will probably happen.
 
The sooner I am out and into a DAW that's not "out of business" the better I will feel.  I can't spend another minute composing/editing within the Sonar ecosystem.  The time I get to work on music is too precious to wake up to find out the whole thing is corrupted.

Ok, folks.
My mistake for even mentioning the fact that I have a questionable software product, but really?
All that hatred was a bit much for me.
Truth be told, I was an accomplished and poor drummer/amateur composer ALL of my years, which is why I only wanted to dabble in anything digital. I tried a bunch of demos over a decade ago and liked Cakewalk. Being that I had a regular day job and many responsibilities, I couldn't afford to use it often, much less pay for it. So if I only used the software as a hobbyist a few times a year for my own pleasure and/or collaboration, why would I pay so much? The people you should be mad at are the ones who make money (or try to) using the software. That is the real crime and IMHO cause of any large negative backlash. 
I don't believe in piracy (with exceptions). Remember Napster? Of course , NONE of you ever used it, right?
What about the whole hip-hop rip-off going back to the beastie boys vs LedZep et al...hmmm?
IF someone got my stuff for free and liked listening to it, hopefully they would at least pass it on with mention. If they outright stole the composition(s) and re-used it somehow...worse than a gut sucker punch. Karma may never be enough but I believe in the golden rule. So am I a hypocrite for using software I might not have paid for?
I guess so, if you consider that the people who wrote it need to make a living too.
I DO believe in paying for something you enjoy even if on a limited basis (like a song). I guess that now has to include software and anything else that wasn't written by me.
I DID say I wanted to purchase this software - who cares about my questionable nonsense? Times change. I'm not a digital fiend any longer. I wanted some feedback and I hit a hornets nest.
I am someone who appreciates others work and am willing to step up.
Cakewalk isn't going down because of me; if anything it will survive because it IS superior.
Lastly, if anyone ever asked me which DAW to go with (legitimately) I would have said CAKEWALK; isn't that a pro-service to them as well? I'm a supporter, not a detractor, always providing positive feedback based on my minimal usage.
I sincerely apologize to the authors of any software; they might as well be the musicians behind a song I liked, downloaded and didn't pay for.
That reminds me...
I'm a HUGE King's X fan. I recently discovered an "authorized bootleg" by a fellow known as Wally Farkas and it's totally legit. I heard a couple samples and bought/sent it to my best friend. I went to visit him and he played the whole album for us and we were blown away - this was just like a great live King's X experience. When I was leaving he said "let me make you a copy". I could let him send me a copy or find a torrent.
NO. I'll order another one.
Not only does King's X deserve the royalty, so does Wally Farkas. He's the man that made this special mix possible.
BTW - if you are a King's X fan this is a MUST HAVE: Google "King's X - "Tales from the Empire: Cleveland 6.26.92" and GET IT.
 
Please let this be a newbie forum mistake (on my part) and not a discussion on "questionable" software.
Thanks for your replies...be well
 

Steev

chuckebaby
Trying to justify your use of cracked software by gift wrapping it with "I buy what I like".
 
That's weak.

Spending 1000's of dollars on software you don't like is just flat out stupid.
 
Now while continuing using cracked software is undoubtedly wrong there is nothing weak about admitting you were wrong.
 
Weakness grows and festers into complete dishonesty in those who refuse to admit to owning any faults and never acknowledging making mistakes.
 
I must applaud and give kudos to e3po for honesty and integrity. And thank you, I really got a chuckle out of the topic this post.  And I'm quite confident purchasing SONAR Pro will not only be the best $200(us) investment you may ever make, it will surely give you many years of service and pleasure of creating music even if Gibson and Cakewalk can't recover.
 
And to any and all of highbrow you posers pointing fingers and pretending to be perfect and forever walk upon God's grey Earth without sin........... All I can say is ppPPPPPPPPPPPPbbbbbbbTTTTTTTTHHZZZzzzz! 

I could personally never do it, cracked stuff freaked me out for some reason, BUT, i agree with you, if one legitimately only tests it and REMOVES it, and if they like it, they BUY it, then well, no harm no foul really. But i also only condone this if there isn't a fully functional non limited demo available. For example, we get 15 days and even 30 days, well even 60 days with some products (112db plugins are 60 days).
 
Reaper is a never expiring nagware after 30 days, so anyone registering that via keygen is the very definition of a loser in my eyes. But I digress...
 
On the subject of Cakewalk, i am absolutely shocked. 
 
I moved to mac 9 years ago and use PT 12 (and you are being overly harsh on it, it's a brilliant daw, and i used sonar/cubase/Logic for many years,and decided on PT and have never been happier.. Considering i had 2 crashes in 2 years, using it 10 hrs a day with like 200 plugins, i think that speaks for itself). PT is very very fast and like Sonar, has an American way of thinking.. which differs just enough from the german stuff to make it, Sonar, and Reaper unique ( i d'ont click with reaper personally cause last i checked i didn't have a rocket science degree).
 
Anyway, i have a 2012 quad i7 little windows laptop that i have sonar X2 (legit) on, and today I decided i would get Sonar Platinum.. even though i am mostly on mac, i take my win lappie around with me and to do that, do NOT want a dongle attached that could catch on anything. (and take my precious perpetual PT12 license with it).
 
The problem is, that Sonar X2 was unstable for me. I mean, a lot. I can't even describe how much.
 
yet i have been following cake tv with interest and all the new features  - so today i went to cakewalk.com/sonar, read all about it for an hour, every bit of info, then went to buy it and i got redirected to the "announcement". I literally had no idea!
 
I think it's heartbreaking, and want to just wish all the cake guys and gals the very best, and hope all the users are happy migrating to something. 
 
I can't believe it to be honest, i am still in shock, reading all the pages. The first song i ever made was on a 486 with cakewalk dots doing the sequencing. This was in the 90's and i remember it clearly. a 40 megabyte hard drive.
 
:)
 
Good luck to all.
 
 

Stealing a car just to joyride versus stealing a car to sell it (strip parts) is the same theft.
 
Anyway, at this point in time I will recommend against buying Sonar (unless a dealer like Sweetwater, Amazon) decides to sell it at a huge discount.
To me the biggest benefit of buying Sonar came with the future valued discounts. Same as Native Instruments Komplete and such. The first time purchase is steep but the subsequent upgrades are huge bargains.
With Sonar for instance. Melodyne came with a free Essentials, then Celemony offered the Full Studio version at a huge discount. Cakewalk has these other 3rd party stuff which are all gone now.
So for anyone looking for a "starter DAW" at this current time, Sonar is a non-starter.

I would not.

The nice thing about being on ProTools is AAX doesn't seem to have been cracked. Ditto UAD.
I don't have a problem buying plugins but it is annoying to see some clown with a version of Sonar (or whatever) who owns Mercury asking how to route a track.

I would have to say no. The program seems to still be a little buggy and crashes for some reason every now and then. I would look into something else if I was in your shoes. I have see copies of Sonar on eBay and also though Guitar Center as well but still full price I believe. 

Noah330
 
but it is annoying to see some clown with a version of Sonar (or whatever) who owns Mercury asking how to route a track.

 
So it is not possible, totally out of the realm of possibility that some 'Clown' who is totally new to the craft could have just purchased SONAR and the Mercury Bundle and was just asking an honest question ? Good to see 'Innocent until proven guilty' is alive and well, and that the benefit of the doubt is always given 
 
I guess everytime everyone here goes over the speed limit they immediately go to the nearest police station to report themselves and pay the fine?, because you know the revenue raised from traffic offences is used on fixing roads and road safety education etc etc, and you are just causing the rest of us to suffer bad roads and unsafe driving practices etc if you don't.

If you frequent the DEALS subforum, you will see every now and then that a vendor makes an obvious mistake with the pricing on a product. The thread will be alive with people freely admitting that it surely must be a mistake, and the advice being thrown left right and center is for everyone to get in quick before the vendor realizes their mistake and fixes the price. The vendor will usually honour the purchases made under the wrong price, because that's the right thing to do. Is it the right thing to do to get in a grab it before they realize their mistake, knowing it is a mistake? is it the right thing to do to advise others to do the same? I mean we are talking about honesty and integrity here, is it only 'selective' honesty and integrity we are talking about? or should that honesty and integrity cover the whole spectrum? These vendors need to pay the bills as well you know?
 
I don't know why, but the words 'sanctimonious hypocrites' keep popping into my mind, don't know why, maybe someone can help?
 
A wise man once said . . . "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone"