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2009/02/13 10:18:07
Funknando
Hello i need help with BCF2000 and sonar. I have a problem with third mode of EQ. I have in the display of BCF2000 - F1 but all faders go down an all encoders no lights. I see the second video of BLADES but my BCF2000 don't work in this mode. The rest of modes and the all functions works perfectly with sonar in Makie Emulation. Thanks.
2009/02/13 11:57:47
FastBikerBoy
For more details open the Mackie control surface properties page and press F1. That'll bring up a help file where all is explained.

First off I suggest if you haven't already download and install the BCView from the Behringer website. You'll find it amongst the BCF files. It's a virtual LCD display so you can see exactly where you are - that will make life much easier to start with.

For your specific question

The EQ mode has 3 different modes.

The first press puts you in multi-channel mode so all the V-pots control one parameter on one channel. I personally don't find this mode very useful

For example assuming you have tracks 1 - 8 assigned to the BCF channels 1 - 8 the first time you press EQ the V-pots will control the Band 1 Freq of each channel 1-8. You can use the shift + bank keys to step through the parameters one at a time.

The second press puts you in single channel mode. Each V-pot controls one EQ parameter but on the selected channel. In this mode if you make sure the edit light is lit (Shift 1 + Edit - and the light will only show when shift 1 is held down) you can then use the bank change buttons to select the rest of the EQ parameters available on that channel.

For example assuming you have track 1 selected via the BCF after the second EQ button press the V-pots will correspond to the first 8 EQ parameters on Channel 1. V-pots 1 - 4 will control the Band Freqs of bands 1 - 4, V-pots 5 - 8 will control the Q settings for EQ bands 1 - 4. If you then press the right bank change button the V-pots will jump by a bank of 8 and now correspond to the next set of parameters. In this case V-pots 1 -4 will control the gain of EQ bands 1 -4 and V-pots 5 - 8 will control whether the EQ bands 1-4 are switched on or off. (Press or turn to change). Press the right bank change again and the parameters selections change again but because there aren't exactly 24 adjustable parameters they don't shift as a whole bank. V-pot 8 now controls channel EQ on/off. V-pots 4 -7 control Band type of EQ bands 1 -4 (peak/shelf/etc) and v-pots 1 - 3 are the band on/offs for EQ bands 2 - 4.

I know that all sounds confusing but with the virtual LCD display and the EQ interface open should all make perfect sense. I use this mode a lot for setting the EQs up

The third press puts the first 4 channels on the BCF into edit mode that correspond to the 4 EQ bands. The V-pots 1 - 4 control the frequencies and the Faders 1 - 4 control the gain of EQ bands 1 - 4. This mode is very helpful for sweeping to find a particular frequency or as a visual guide as to the overall EQ curve shape. I find this mode very useful too.

Just to further complicate matters in any of these modes (or any mode on the BCF) you can use the flip function to change what the faders and v-pots control. The first press of the flip key and the faders duplicate whatever the V-pots control and the second press the faders and knobs exchange functions so in the third EQ mode press the flip key once and the faders 1-4 also control band frequency, press flip again and the faders 1 - 4 control frequency and the V-pots 1 -4 gain. Press flip again and you are back to normal.

Pressing track puts you back into track mode and of course if you then press the EQ mode key it takes you right back to where you were and the faders will snap about accordingly.

As I said install the LCD and experiment and it will all make sense (hopefully). It is incredibly quick to get about once you know the various key presses. I can now tweak an EQ setting and be back to mixing gains in the time it takes me to find my mouse never mind actually use it.

Hope this helps.

2009/02/13 12:50:18
Funknando
Tahnk you very much FastBikerBoy, i know the 3 modes but the last mode don't work, when i press 3 times all faders go down an all encoders no lights. What happens?

Thanks, what is your motorcycle, i have a VTR996F
2009/02/13 13:12:32
FastBikerBoy
My avatar pic is the same VTR1000F, but I now have a ZX10-R for the road and a Fireblade for the track... anyway back on topic...

Are you definitely in Mackie mode?

The only other reason all faders and v-pots would go down in the third mode is if all the gains and frequencies are all the way down and/or if the BCF is in 'flipped' mode.

If everything else is working okay I can't think of any other reason for that behaviour.
2009/02/13 13:28:36
Blades
Can't think of a reson over here either unless there is something "not mackie" about what's going on. I don't know of a way to exclude a certain function like that. Is there a way to disable the "per track" EQ? Is it possible that it's setting like that because it isn't seeing the EQ there? Are you sure you are actually in mode 3?

The display on the BCF reads one of three: E1 E1. F1.

You should be in F1. mode
2009/02/13 13:38:15
FastBikerBoy
I think even if the EQ was disabled and the BCF wasn't going to respond to the 3rd button press it wouldn't respond to the first 2 presses wither would it?

Funknando do you have the virtual LCD display and if so what does that indicate?
2009/02/13 13:48:00
Funknando
Hello Blades, thanks for yours Video-Tutorial, yes I'm in Mackie mode in the display when I turn on is "1.10" later "MCSo" all the funtions of Mackie mode works perfectly and all the buttons except the 3 mode of EQ, I have in display F1 but de faders and encoders are down, in sonar I have active a EQ in track and I have active 4 band y try to move one fader in another position and he go down. All the buttons in Mackie mode works ex. Plugin, Track, Aux, M1 ... all. I have active the virtual display BCFView and in the 3 mode of EQ not have information.

Thanks, sorry I'm spanish and my english is very poor.
2009/02/13 14:19:05
Funknando
Yes when I press 1 time I have E1, in the 2 time E1. and in the 3 time I have F1. in the 1 time I have in the virtual display "track 1 GnDBn1 track 2 GnDBn1 .... " encoders iluminates and change values to gain in the sonitus EQ and faders changes Vol. a track. When I push the 2 time I have E1. in the virtual display I have GnDBn1 0.0dB GnDBn2 0.0dB GnDBn3 and GnDBn4 FrcDB1 FrcDB2 ... the encoders changes values and the faders same a 1 time changes value of Vol. a track and in the 3 time display F1. Virtual display nothing, encoders off and faders down.
2009/02/13 14:51:25
FastBikerBoy
Hmmm... that's strange.

Are all the mode shift lights off? If you hold down Shift 1 are there any lights on any of the buttons? Same with shift 2?

The only time I can relate to that situation is if you are 'out of range' of a control. Try this.......

1. Make sure all shifted lights are off.

2. Put the BCF into EQ mode 3.

3. Press the left bank key several times to see if the EQ comes back 'in range'

Other than that I'm pretty much out of ideas.
2009/02/13 15:11:08
Funknando
Thanks FastBikerBoy and Blades not work F1. I continue investigating the problem. I don't know if the problem is in the BCF2000 or is in Sonar. I try in Sonar6 and in Sonar8 and is the same.

Thanks and best regards.
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