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2013/09/28 17:33:41
urock
Ryan Munnis [Cakewalk]
I could run through the gambit of plug-in counts etc., but SMTPE/MTC and Surround will be missing. If you use a lot of external gear I'd take that into consideration.=


 I there SMTPE/MTC in X3 Studio?  I think your answer above was re X3 "Basic."  (I don't need surround). 
 
I might upgrade for the first time since Sonar 7.  (Started using when it was Pro Audio)
Thanks!
2013/09/28 17:37:50
Guitarpima
I lilke that the Quad curve EQ has the meter info in it now. Very cool.
 
I use Addictive Drums and it sounds great!  Although I don't use the stock drums in AD. I have made my kit from several of the ADpaks available at XLNaudio.
2013/09/28 17:38:29
dubdisciple
Mod.. I think if one is used to a Pro Channel based workflow, it makes a huge difference.  Having the analyzer built into the EQ is big for me.  It is one less step i have to take.  For me, time is literally money.  If you barely touch PC< i can see your point.  Granted, $150 just to have an analyzer in your EQ is excessive, but combined with the other things may make it worthwhile.  Maybe Cakewalk should offer a minor courtesy discount to people who already own elodyne and Addictive drums and can prove ownership.  I realize that the licensing is done in bulk, so only so much could be offered, but maybe a $25 credit would show good faith and getting $125 beats 0.
2013/09/28 17:43:02
Dave Modisette
Well, I'm deciding to give SONAR another chance and go for the Pro version.  I know that the Console view will disappoint me and the lack of mono inputs with friendly names will cause me to continue to use a work around in the browser.  Maybe the Melodyne ARA will keep me happy and fewer "what-the-frick-just-happened" moments  will occur in S1 when I click on the wrong thing or accidentally use the wrong hotkey.  We'll see.
2013/09/28 17:48:33
Ryan Munnis [Cakewalk]
Gaffpro
I already have the full version of Melodyne, Addictive Drums, and a bunch of other stuff......but there are some things in X3 that I like......I wanted to buy it today but had to get password changed and the store isn't taking it...I'll call support on monday


No need. I just set a temp password for you. I'll PM it to you.
2013/09/28 17:50:57
Ryan Munnis [Cakewalk]
urock
Ryan Munnis [Cakewalk]
I could run through the gambit of plug-in counts etc., but SMTPE/MTC and Surround will be missing. If you use a lot of external gear I'd take that into consideration.=


I there SMTPE/MTC in X3 Studio?  I think your answer above was re X3 "Basic."  (I don't need surround). 
 
I might upgrade for the first time since Sonar 7.  (Started using when it was Pro Audio)
Thanks!


SONAR X3 Studio does have SMPTE/MTC settings as does Producer.
2013/09/28 17:57:12
brian brock
all of the core functionality is the same in Studio as Producer, right?  The only difference is in effects and synths, whether pro-channel or VST, right?
2013/09/28 17:58:10
Ryan Munnis [Cakewalk]
brian brock
all of the core functionality is the same in Studio as Producer, right?  The only difference is in effects and synths, whether pro-channel or VST, right?


This is a good bullet list of the differences: http://www.cakewalk.com/products/sonar/versions.aspx
2013/09/29 15:00:20
stevee9c6
Ryan Munnis [Cakewalk]
We didn't drop support for the VS-700. The SONAR X3 installer still installs the components and we did not remove any functionality. I do know this is not an area we focused on with this release however, so I would expect the same functionality as SONAR X2a.


Thank you for that response Ryan.  Obviously, the VS-700 owner club is hoping for some kind of future software support from Cake. This is an enthusiast forum and not a support forum.... understood.  I suspect that with Tascam part of the team, we will see some future offering in the controller/interface category. 
I realize that there is much going on behind the scenes we are not privy too, however I would like to point out a refreshing business model that AVID is using. (I recently upgraded from PT10 to Pt11)  PT is moving to the HDX system. They are throwing out a lifeline and allowing us to trade in our HD systems on the HDX system at a significant discount. The benefit of this is obvious. First, it assures a large user base that they are not being abandoned. Second, it allows HD users to upgrade without selling their first born. Third, it actually will broaden the user base over time.  Does Cake/Gibson/Tascam even want this user base? I don't know. I do know that I far prefer the CW workflow to PT.  Regardless, the next time you, Henry, and Craig share a cold beer, perhaps you could examine this concept... :)
2013/09/29 15:41:48
Ryan Munnis [Cakewalk]
stevee9c6
Ryan Munnis [Cakewalk]
We didn't drop support for the VS-700. The SONAR X3 installer still installs the components and we did not remove any functionality. I do know this is not an area we focused on with this release however, so I would expect the same functionality as SONAR X2a.


Thank you for that response Ryan.  Obviously, the VS-700 owner club is hoping for some kind of future software support from Cake. This is an enthusiast forum and not a support forum.... understood.  I suspect that with Tascam part of the team, we will see some future offering in the controller/interface category. 
I realize that there is much going on behind the scenes we are not privy too, however I would like to point out a refreshing business model that AVID is using. (I recently upgraded from PT10 to Pt11)  PT is moving to the HDX system. They are throwing out a lifeline and allowing us to trade in our HD systems on the HDX system at a significant discount. The benefit of this is obvious. First, it assures a large user base that they are not being abandoned. Second, it allows HD users to upgrade without selling their first born. Third, it actually will broaden the user base over time.  Does Cake/Gibson/Tascam even want this user base? I don't know. I do know that I far prefer the CW workflow to PT.  Regardless, the next time you, Henry, and Craig share a cold beer, perhaps you could examine this concept... :)


Given the concept to rebrand SONAR as a TASCAM Professional Audio product, the impression I got was that, if anything, we want to do more to appeal to the professional market. With that being the case, I can't imagine VS-700 owners are not wanted :)
 
As far as trade ins, I really don't know. If I ever get a chance to have a beer with Henry or Craig I'll definitely share :)
 
I personally wouldn't want to trade in the VS700 hardware and can't see at the current moment why that would be a requirement. Over at Berklee we just updated all of our Pro Tools labs in the Electronic Production and Design department because, well, we had to. A lot of things were no longer fully functional. Even still we can't play a Quicktime video in the studio because the hardware doesn't support playback. Also, with the addition of all the new plug-in architecture we really just had no choice but to cough up the money for new hardware. I think it's great that AVID would offer up this type of option, but I also think they'd be crazy not to. Their business must continue of course. I'm not sure what the college is doing with the old HD192s we just pulled out of all of our labs and studios. I would imagine they've worked out a deal, but in the meantime the staff here was asked simply to throw it in storage. Crazy right? There's no need to put your VS-700R or VS-700C in storage :)
 
I absolutely love the V-Studio systems and I spent a great deal of my time working directly with hundreds of users on how to use the system. That was pretty much my entire job for over a year. As with anything, as our time working with companies grow, so do our responsibilities, and so for that reason I haven't personally had a lot of hands on time with the V-Studio hardware. With that being said, I do still love the system and think it is an excellent piece of hardware (even with some of the requests I have seen asked for new features not making it in to X3). The surface still integrates very well with SONAR, and the IO is a solid unit. The biggest thing I've noticed is that given the nature of the development of the product (drivers and hardware being made by Roland, control surface support being made by Cakewalk), any updates to it must be synchronized between Cakewalk and Roland and so the smallest request ultimately ends up being a big project.
 
Anyhow, why do I discuss all of this? Because while I'm not a product manager for Cakewalk, I have some pretty comprehensive lists of things I'd love to see done with control surface support in general. So, for whatever it is worth, one of the bigger bullets of "what can we do next" on my personal list of feedback was "control surface support". I don't know what the future holds yet for this area and what we'll do next, but I think its a proper conversation to have because it is an important area of the program.
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