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2013/09/29 16:21:25
brian brock
 
Ryan Munnis [Cakewalk]
brian brock
all of the core functionality is the same in Studio as Producer, right?  The only difference is in effects and synths, whether pro-channel or VST, right?


This is a good bullet list of the differences: http://www.cakewalk.com/products/sonar/versions.aspx




Hi Ryan.  I've already carefully looked over the bullet list, from which I have gathered that the extras provided in Sonar X3 Producer are several software effects on the order of compressors, eqs, and reverb, and several software instruments. 
 
In the past, I believe there were differences between studio and producer that could be considered "core functionality".  The studio edition did not include the full version of Audiosnap, or any basic drum samples such as Session Drummer, V-vocal, Convolution reverb, surround sound, etc.  These are types of tools which are widely appreciated in every DAW and the lack of which made the Studio edition of Sonar 6, for example, significantly less valuable than the Producer edition.
 
I believe that, especially at a 300 dollar price difference for new users, the current editions of Sonar are not adequately differentiated.  In fact it amounts to something of an un-advertised price drop, given that the current Studio edition at 200$ is essentially feature-equivalent to Producer version 8 or so at 500$ new.  Cakewalk might be better served following the example of Magix/Samplitude and Ableton by labeling the high price tier the "Suite" version.  This presents to the consumer a clear differentiation of in what way Cakewalk sees the Suite edition as offering more value. 
 
Furthermore, I believe that, by allowing prior users of Producer-only features to continue using those features when upgrading merely to the Studio edition (partially a consequence of the lack of core feature differentiation), Cakewalk is not providing adequate imperative to current users to stay in the Producer upgrade path. 
 
Thanks for your attention.
2013/09/29 18:48:50
codamedia
brian brock
 
Ryan Munnis [Cakewalk]
brian brock
all of the core functionality is the same in Studio as Producer, right?  The only difference is in effects and synths, whether pro-channel or VST, right?


This is a good bullet list of the differences: http://www.cakewalk.com/products/sonar/versions.aspx


I believe that, especially at a 300 dollar price difference for new users, the current editions of Sonar are not adequately differentiated.  In fact it amounts to something of an un-advertised price drop .....

SSSHHH!!!!! Studio looks just fine for my needs - LOL!
 
2013/09/29 19:38:16
Keni
Sad for me...

This seems by far the first of the X generation that I might like... But I'm so broke I can't come up with the $200 needed for a boxed version... 13GB is more than my entire monthly download allotment...

This promises to be the hardest winter for me to survive... But if I do, I'm sure the first chance I get I'll be buying Producer.. If only to stop my screams during comp work! ;-)

Keni
2013/09/29 19:54:27
djwayne
Keni
Sad for me...

This seems by far the first of the X generation that I might like... But I'm so broke I can't come up with the $200 needed for a boxed version... 13GB is more than my entire monthly download allotment...

This promises to be the hardest winter for me to survive... But if I do, I'm sure the first chance I get I'll be buying Producer.. If only to stop my screams during comp work! ;-)

Keni



 
I hear ya, money is tight for me too, but I put it on a credit card and will make 3 easy payments of around $60-70 bucks.
2013/09/29 20:00:58
StarTekh
Im going to sit back and see how this ver. pan's out !
2013/09/29 20:06:44
doncolga
Ryan Munnis [Cakewalk]
Also, personally I'd never go back to not having ProChannel. The flyout EQ is ridiculously nice.
 


+1
2013/09/29 20:59:09
Keni
djwayne
Keni
Sad for me...

This seems by far the first of the X generation that I might like... But I'm so broke I can't come up with the $200 needed for a boxed version... 13GB is more than my entire monthly download allotment...

This promises to be the hardest winter for me to survive... But if I do, I'm sure the first chance I get I'll be buying Producer.. If only to stop my screams during comp work! ;-)

Keni


 I hear ya, money is tight for me too, but I put it on a credit card and will make 3 easy payments of around $60-70 bucks.


I'm glad you found a way... I hope you make some great music with it...

I will be (loudly) cursing many things for some time to come it seems. A month ago I could have squeezed it... Maybe something lucky will come my way... My "credit card" is a prepaid, so there's nowhere to borrow from... Oh well... At least I now can believe there's a fix out there for me as soon as I can afford it... Hmmm... I do have a half day session on Wednesday.... Time will tell...

All my best...
Keni
2013/09/29 21:06:28
Zo
Ryan , in one video i saw on the plugin layout list a Gonniometer .....is it a new one included with sonar ? or a specific one of one of your guyz ?
2013/09/29 21:52:09
Teksonik
I see that Ryan and Andrew have posted in this thread so I thought I would ask them a question here rather than starting a new thread.  Can you please tell me if X3 has gotten a Countdown to Playback feature for it's Metronome ?  I've made this feature request through official channels since 8.5, something like this:

 
This feature alone would make me seriously consider upgrading from X2 Producer to X3 Producer.........
 
 
2013/09/29 22:00:08
mixmkr
Ryan Munnis [Cakewalk]
 Over at Berklee we just updated all of our Pro Tools labs in the Electronic Production and Design department because, well, we had to. A lot of things were no longer fully functional. 


Ha...when I was at Berklee in the 70's, that "dept" had an ARP 2500, a bunch of 2600 and a couple of Odyssey synths.  Also a single ARP sequencer and a whopping 10 band Tapco EQ.  The studio across the street had the black faced MCI board, AKG BX10 reverb, 1176, etc...but a great mic locker.  Only an 8 track MCI machine too, I believe.  I've still got my 1/2 track tapes from both departments!
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