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2013/09/27 14:48:22
John T
dorism
 
What is technical support's non us number? I'll call them this weekend


They don't have one. The company is based in Boston.
2013/09/27 14:56:17
dorism
Disco.. So I'm paying international calls charges for a product which doesn't work. Don't think so.
 
See its that culture thing again!
 
It's all academic in any case. There was never another patch for x2.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
2013/09/27 14:57:54
Ryan Munnis [Cakewalk]
dorism
 
 
With the greatest respect I am filling in bug forms for your product which should work.
 
But doesn't.
 
I'm doing this in my own time. I think the 'bugs' the had been discussed in huge detail already on the forum. None of this should be a surprise to anyone at Cakewalk. The response should have been 'duplicate' ticket. Fix on the way. Moving midi into an audio track of vice Verse. Try it out yourself for goodness sake. Its standard behaviour and baffling. If there was a good reason for designing it like this then that would merit a decent response.
 
The reasreason I filed them was out of frustration that nothing had been done to address those concerns. Throwing my hat into the ring so to speak rather than sitting here moaning about it I wanted to do something about proactive. 'calling out' the a customer in a public forum when they have invested heavily in your products and trying to participate to make your product better is not a wise move. See my point about culture.


If we wanted to make it a private conversation you could have PMed me with your frustrations. I was trying to suggest that I'm not trying to call you out, but that everyone is ganging up suggesting nothing is being done to address customer concerns is not correct for two reasons. This thread is mostly bashing Cakewalk and Cakewalk support publicly, so I'm here to defend it. 
 
The first being that some concerns are system & user specific. Developers can't fix those issues, Technical Support can. In those cases, we can help and so yes we can address these concerns.
 
The other being that the concerns that people are referencing and have been for a long time, well we haven't even begun to fully discuss SONAR X3 yet. I think you'll be shocked to find out that a huge part of this release IS addressing the biggest customer concerns. In fact, that's exactly what we've done based on tons of feedback (phone calls, emails, bug reports, beta team, artists, engineers, forums, surveys, etc.).
 
Anyhow, I know at the end of the day you probably just want help and most likely our systems were confusing. I am sorry if that was the case. We're always trying to improve it and so your frustration with the system tells me we need to improve it yet even more. That's okay.
 
This is the reply to most of your problem reports:
 
The status of your problem report has updated to "Contact Tech Support" with the following notes:
The problem you are experiencing is most likely a system specific problem or a configuration issue that we believe can be resolved with assistance from Cakewalk Technical Support. Unfortunately, as explained in the Problem Report Form, this form does not put you in direct contact with our support staff.
Please contact our support team at http://www.cakewalk.com/support/email or at (617) 423-9021 Mon-Fri 1:00 pm to 6:00 pm EST so that we can assist you in resolving the issue you are experiencing. You can review our full contact information at http://www.cakewalk.com/support
 
Currently outside of the US support is handled by your local distributor if you're trying to call in. The link above does provide direct access to email Technical Support as well.
 
I hope that helps to clarify.
2013/09/27 14:58:38
Ryan Munnis [Cakewalk]
dorism
Disco.. So I'm paying international calls charges for a product which doesn't work. Don't think so.
 
See its that culture thing again!
 
It's all academic in any case. There was never another patch for x2.


Speaking of culture, we don't charge for Technical Support though, which most competitors do and do a lot.
2013/09/27 14:59:43
John T
It's not "that culture thing". It's just that Cakewalk don't pay your phone bill for you.
 
Your position here is that you don't want to fill out comprehensible bug reports and you don't want to phone in. Hence my telepathic sandwich order joke. Seriously, the thing that you want doesn't exist not never nohow and never will. I'd start coming to peace with how reality works if I was you.
 
 
2013/09/27 15:01:47
John T
I've just looked it up, and UK to US calls on BT are 19p a min daytimes, 13p a min in the evenings. How onerous is this, really?
 
2013/09/27 15:08:57
dorism
Ryan - just to reset here. This is not a dig at you or the support teams per se and apologies if my frustration come across like this - you're right this may have been better as a PM!  For what its worth you have always been really supportive on the forum and its clear to me how passionate you are.
 
This is why I haven't completely ditched Sonar. I actually still believe that there are good people there who care and I put you as one of them.
 
Cakewalk in my mind is based in Boston- it's soul and people are there but outside the US I view you as an international company. I buy direct from Cakewalk store. You are my supplier. Time zone, and call charges are obvious barriers to support. Is there anything innovate which could be done here? Maybe use Google + hangouts or something? Honestly  - trying to describe the problems is genuinely difficult. It would be easier to show you it.
 
Anyway. Time to crack open a cold one! :)
 
I'll keep the rest a PM. Please note - despite how it may come across I am trying to be constructive. Its probably my Scottish demeanour
 
2013/09/27 15:47:17
Ryan Munnis [Cakewalk]
dorism
Ryan - just to reset here. This is not a dig at you or the support teams per se and apologies if my frustration come across like this - you're right this may have been better as a PM!  For what its worth you have always been really supportive on the forum and its clear to me how passionate you are.
 
This is why I haven't completely ditched Sonar. I actually still believe that there are good people there who care and I put you as one of them.
 
Cakewalk in my mind is based in Boston- it's soul and people are there but outside the US I view you as an international company. I buy direct from Cakewalk store. You are my supplier. Time zone, and call charges are obvious barriers to support. Is there anything innovate which could be done here? Maybe use Google + hangouts or something? Honestly  - trying to describe the problems is genuinely difficult. It would be easier to show you it.
 
Anyway. Time to crack open a cold one! :)
 
I'll keep the rest a PM. Please note - despite how it may come across I am trying to be constructive. Its probably my Scottish demeanour
 


Thanks for following up. I apologize as well if coming off defensive. I'd crack a cold one open with you right now were we together. I'm not sure I'd be able to troubleshoot any issues at that point though 
2013/09/27 15:57:01
dorism
John T
It's not "that culture thing". It's just that Cakewalk don't pay your phone bill for you.
 
Your position here is that you don't want to fill out comprehensible bug reports and you don't want to phone in. Hence my telepathic sandwich order joke. Seriously, the thing that you want doesn't exist not never nohow and never will. I'd start coming to peace with how reality works if I was you.
 
 


Mate - you try describing the carzy sh1t I see happening on X2 and
Ryan Munnis [Cakewalk]
dorism
Ryan - just to reset here. This is not a dig at you or the support teams per se and apologies if my frustration come across like this - you're right this may have been better as a PM!  For what its worth you have always been really supportive on the forum and its clear to me how passionate you are.
 
This is why I haven't completely ditched Sonar. I actually still believe that there are good people there who care and I put you as one of them.
 
Cakewalk in my mind is based in Boston- it's soul and people are there but outside the US I view you as an international company. I buy direct from Cakewalk store. You are my supplier. Time zone, and call charges are obvious barriers to support. Is there anything innovate which could be done here? Maybe use Google + hangouts or something? Honestly  - trying to describe the problems is genuinely difficult. It would be easier to show you it.
 
Anyway. Time to crack open a cold one! :)
 
I'll keep the rest a PM. Please note - despite how it may come across I am trying to be constructive. Its probably my Scottish demeanour
 


Thanks for following up. I apologize as well if coming off defensive. I'd crack a cold one open with you right now were we together. I'm not sure I'd be able to troubleshoot any issues at that point though 


Exactly - but by that time who'd care!

2013/09/27 16:07:08
djtrailmixxx
Dorism,
 
Can you use Google Voice or Skype calls? I'm not sure if that is a viable or affordable option for you. There must be a free option somewhere.
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