hockeyjx
I've always felt that too many people don't have quality machines/setups, so a good deal of problems are there. I also think some people just don't know what they are doing. Then, there are the ones whose pirated warez don't work well together.
 
Take away all those above and X2a is pretty solid. Not perfect, but solid.

No, not really. I am a registered user and I have an 8 core 3.6Ghz processor with 16G ram and a RME UFX. X2a is NOT stable. It is quite often flaky.  Pressing record often gets me an unable to store audio error, yet pressing record again, works fine. I get crashes trying to search for missing audio. I get random audio transient errors. I often get audio wave form redraw issues when recording and opening projects. I also get issues with take sync timimg on loop recording. I have other issues, but these are at the forefront of my mind. X2a is Cakewalks Vista...

Guitarmech111

hockeyjx
I've always felt that too many people don't have quality machines/setups, so a good deal of problems are there. I also think some people just don't know what they are doing. Then, there are the ones whose pirated warez don't work well together.
 
Take away all those above and X2a is pretty solid. Not perfect, but solid.

No, not really. I am a registered user and I have an 8 core 3.6Ghz processor with 16G ram and a RME UFX. X2a is NOT stable. It is quite often flaky.  Pressing record often gets me an unable to store audio error, yet pressing record again, works fine. I get crashes trying to search for missing audio. I get random audio transient errors. I often get audio wave form redraw issues when recording and opening projects. I also get issues with take sync timimg on loop recording. I have other issues, but these are at the forefront of my mind. X2a is Cakewalks Vista...

don't you think though if everyone was having this problem like you then no one would be getting any recording done and cakewalk would have to issue another patch ?
 
my advise is to try it out on another machine because ive tried it out on 2 different machines with stellar results.
these machines are however newer models build within the last 2 years.
your computer sounds like it was build by a pro with those stats and large amount of RAM.
have you contacted the builder of your machine ?
 
 
is your CPU an AMD bulldozer or Intel Xeon ?
 
 
Redraw issues are almost 90% a videocard problem.
your videocard may be contributing to a lot of your issues.
I run and 8 core AMD Bulldozer with no issues at all.
those are quite a few issues your having that I haven't heard of.

I have to side with Guitarmech111 on this one.
 
Sonar 8.5 and X1d runs perfect on my custom built machine (i7, 16 GB, 2,5TB + SSD and a Focusrite saffire Pro40), I CAN make X1d crash if I want to but I normally don't want to and if I don't it's almost scary how well and stable it runs. I've been with Cakewalk since Dos version 2 and have a background as a software developer so I was under the impression I had some basic computer and Cakewalk knowledge at least. Regarding the warez you'll have to believe me because I won't show you my cakewalk account. X2a still isn't solid, it's not the buggiest version released but it's not good - especially for a patched version, so I get why some users are not happy.
 
It's no big deal for me and I will get X3 expecting some annoying bugs at release, it would be stupid to do otherwise on what must be some serious changes and additions in and to the code. I'm sure Cakewalk will release a patch removing the most annoying ones soon after release as they normally do.  And I hope it will after that be real solid again, like X1d is. It's probably not easy for the Cakers (or any DAW software maker) to get their software running good on everything and finding the sweet spot between new features and stability at each release, but they must of course do that to keep the revenue stream. I'm sure they're doing everything they can with the resources they have and on balance I'd actually say they've been quite successful so far and over time - taking into account the economy the last years and the brave move to "X". But X2a and me will never be pals.
 
Even if the arguments presented were valid it's not a good situation for Cakewalk. What some will read into that is that Sonar requires custom built machines (or specific vendors and/or models) and computer guru skills. That would  severely limit Cakewalks market. I'm not sure we're doing Cakewalk a favor saying that is expected. Especially when the same people get other brands running on the same machines. Luckily I don't think it's true and I don't think it's what you meant.
 
 
 

doncolga

Guitarmech111
X2a could have been in muliple patches?

Good grief ya'll are cranky!..is it a full moon?
 
Would it have made you all happier if they'd just divide up the A update into lets say...10 separate updates?...would that make ya'll feel better?  Of course it would...you got 10 free updates...those bakers sure are busy!
 

Guitarmech111
Is that because of poorly engineered software not meeting the customers needs and expectations? I wouldn't brag on that.

I'm sorry, but that's ridiculous.  I'm sure the software is doing just fine for LOTS of users.

That many fixes tells me that they did not design or code the product correctly in the time given to form a new release with the end user desired operability and stability. Whoever planned and tested it, failed IMO.
 
I test program software for a living. If any of the products I have worked with had over 250 fixes in it for a single patch, that would exemplify failure in the prior development and testing cycle. They used to have a robust beta team that had a magnitude of environments. Maybe that is not so any more.
My point, as some people may or may not realize, The end user should think that there was time to get it right the first time. 250 fixes in a single patch just begs to have regression issues on stuff that did work. Wiyhout a follow up patch, those regressions STILL FAIL. Unforunately the cash inflow is more important than pushng out a schedule.

This is not the way Cakewalk used to do it. I am dissapointed in the current state of the product. I don't really care what others think about it since my money paid for it and my money paid for a sub par product that has stability issues on my machine and with my work flow. I have called TS a few times to help me out. They have, but there are issues that I will not see fixed unless I pay for an upgrade as I understand it.
 
I may just download the demo before upgrading unless they decide to give a steeper discount for X3 to people who have called in issues that TS/DEV deem errors with X2a.

chuckebaby

Guitarmech111

hockeyjx
I've always felt that too many people don't have quality machines/setups, so a good deal of problems are there. I also think some people just don't know what they are doing. Then, there are the ones whose pirated warez don't work well together.
 
Take away all those above and X2a is pretty solid. Not perfect, but solid.

No, not really. I am a registered user and I have an 8 core 3.6Ghz processor with 16G ram and a RME UFX. X2a is NOT stable. It is quite often flaky.  Pressing record often gets me an unable to store audio error, yet pressing record again, works fine. I get crashes trying to search for missing audio. I get random audio transient errors. I often get audio wave form redraw issues when recording and opening projects. I also get issues with take sync timimg on loop recording. I have other issues, but these are at the forefront of my mind. X2a is Cakewalks Vista...

don't you think though if everyone was having this problem like you then no one would be getting any recording done and cakewalk would have to issue another patch ?
 
my advise is to try it out on another machine because ive tried it out on 2 different machines with stellar results.
these machines are however newer models build within the last 2 years.
your computer sounds like it was build by a pro with those stats and large amount of RAM.
have you contacted the builder of your machine ?
 
 
is your CPU an AMD bulldozer or Intel Xeon ?
 
 
Redraw issues are almost 90% a videocard problem.
your videocard may be contributing to a lot of your issues.
I run and 8 core AMD Bulldozer with no issues at all.
those are quite a few issues your having that I haven't heard of.

I built my machine and have been doing so for over 25 years. I KNOW what I am doing in that arena. I should not HAVE to use another machine. I am not overclocking or anything, just straight processing. I have these specs:
 ASUS Sabertooth 990 FX
 AMD fx-8150 8 core processor am3+
 16G Corsair 1066 DDR3
 PNY GTX670 2g gddr5
 Samsung 750G SATA drives
 WD 200G
 Seagate 160G
 Seagate 400G
 RME FireFace 800 UFX - USB drivers
 SONY DVD+-R/RW
 LG BR+HD Multi ROM
 SONAR Producer 8.5+, X1, X2 + hotfixes
 Vegas 11
 SF 10
 CD architect
 DVD Architect
 Win7 64 Ultimate + auto updates
 
I guess I fall in the 10% of the video redraw issue set...

Guitarmech111

doncolga

Guitarmech111
X2a could have been in muliple patches?

Good grief ya'll are cranky!..is it a full moon?
 
Would it have made you all happier if they'd just divide up the A update into lets say...10 separate updates?...would that make ya'll feel better?  Of course it would...you got 10 free updates...those bakers sure are busy!
 

Guitarmech111
Is that because of poorly engineered software not meeting the customers needs and expectations? I wouldn't brag on that.

I'm sorry, but that's ridiculous.  I'm sure the software is doing just fine for LOTS of users.

That many fixes tells me that they did not design or code the product correctly in the time given to form a new release with the end user desired operability and stability. Whoever planned and tested it, failed IMO.
 
I test program software for a living. If any of the products I have worked with had over 250 fixes in it for a single patch, that would exemplify failure in the prior development and testing cycle. They used to have a robust beta team that had a magnitude of environments. Maybe that is not so any more.
My point, as some people may or may not realize, The end user should think that there was time to get it right the first time. 250 fixes in a single patch just begs to have regression issues on stuff that did work. Wiyhout a follow up patch, those regressions STILL FAIL. Unforunately the cash inflow is more important than pushng out a schedule.

This is not the way Cakewalk used to do it. I am dissapointed in the current state of the product. I don't really care what others think about it since my money paid for it and my money paid for a sub par product that has stability issues on my machine and with my work flow. I have called TS a few times to help me out. They have, but there are issues that I will not see fixed unless I pay for an upgrade as I understand it.
 
I may just download the demo before upgrading unless they decide to give a steeper discount for X3 to people who have called in issues that TS/DEV deem errors with X2a.

im sorry but im having a hard time believing you do test software for a living because if you did you would have some answers for why your having issues and not just spiting out issues your having.
you'd also know that a fix (250 fixes) can mean a lot of things, like when you re-code one feature you need to fix 10 others.
I also think your being a bit childish. here it is cakewalks big day for their release of the new x3 and your here first thing in the morning the day it goes on sale.
your upset because others are excited to use a new product they have been having great success with.
they cant wait to see the new features and dive in to a software that worked great for them in x2.
 
So you've had to ask yourself a few times now, why are others having success but im having issues?
there's a conflict going on somewhere and rather than track it down its easier to come here on cakewalks site and post your displeasure in hopes of ruining any sales for their new product?
I don't get it.
 
and if you think the: "issues that you will not see fixed unless you pay for an upgrade as you understand it"
im not sure where you got that info from but if you cant be productive in the last version (X2) what on earth makes you think you can be with X3 ????
 
if these are show stoppers (a you've said) I don't think a new version is going to help.
if they are just annoying little things that your making in to big things, then yes im guessing youll be happy.
I myself think x2 had some annoying things about it and I hope they are fixed but surely don't think they are bad enough to start a thread out of jealousy  
 
 

Way to go Charlie! I agree - too many people trying to make the rest of us miserable.

chuckebaby

Guitarmech111

doncolga

Guitarmech111
X2a could have been in muliple patches?

Good grief ya'll are cranky!..is it a full moon?
 
Would it have made you all happier if they'd just divide up the A update into lets say...10 separate updates?...would that make ya'll feel better?  Of course it would...you got 10 free updates...those bakers sure are busy!
 

Guitarmech111
Is that because of poorly engineered software not meeting the customers needs and expectations? I wouldn't brag on that.

I'm sorry, but that's ridiculous.  I'm sure the software is doing just fine for LOTS of users.

That many fixes tells me that they did not design or code the product correctly in the time given to form a new release with the end user desired operability and stability. Whoever planned and tested it, failed IMO.
 
I test program software for a living. If any of the products I have worked with had over 250 fixes in it for a single patch, that would exemplify failure in the prior development and testing cycle. They used to have a robust beta team that had a magnitude of environments. Maybe that is not so any more.
My point, as some people may or may not realize, The end user should think that there was time to get it right the first time. 250 fixes in a single patch just begs to have regression issues on stuff that did work. Wiyhout a follow up patch, those regressions STILL FAIL. Unforunately the cash inflow is more important than pushng out a schedule.

This is not the way Cakewalk used to do it. I am dissapointed in the current state of the product. I don't really care what others think about it since my money paid for it and my money paid for a sub par product that has stability issues on my machine and with my work flow. I have called TS a few times to help me out. They have, but there are issues that I will not see fixed unless I pay for an upgrade as I understand it.
 
I may just download the demo before upgrading unless they decide to give a steeper discount for X3 to people who have called in issues that TS/DEV deem errors with X2a.

im sorry but im having a hard time believing you do test software for a living because if you did you would have some answers for why your having issues and not just spiting out issues your having.
you'd also know that a fix (250 fixes) can mean a lot of things, like when you re-code one feature you need to fix 10 others.
I also think your being a bit childish. here it is cakewalks big day for their release of the new x3 and your here first thing in the morning the day it goes on sale.
your upset because others are excited to use a new product they have been having great success with.
they cant wait to see the new features and dive in to a software that worked great for them in x2.
 
So you've had to ask yourself a few times now, why are others having success but im having issues?
there's a conflict going on somewhere and rather than track it down its easier to come here on cakewalks site and post your displeasure in hopes of ruining any sales for their new product?
 
I don't get it.
 
 
 

good post! 

NOT upgrading

I'm running X2a on a Q9300 + Asus P5N-D, 8GB PC6400 RAM, Win7 64 SP1, a Seagate Barracuda 500GB SATA 7200 for apps and audio, and a fairly generic ATI 1GB graphics card.   And although this the antithesis of a "modern" system, X2a is solid for me - audio, MIDI, VSTi, FX, etc, etc.   The only "problem" I have is when the load reaches a certain point and I have to increase latency to compensate (Focusrite 18i6).  I do that and I'm back to normal.  
 
My only point is that on an older system like mine X2a works quite well.   So there's something we're missing if the focus is on using the latest technology.  'Cause I sure aint.