2016/10/14 13:34:35
drewfx1
eph221
Some voters put alot of faith in science as objective fact.  It's definitely truthier, whether it can be considered objective fact, that's another matter.  We need to start  somewhere.  Regardless, just like in a court room, there's not a perfect system.




Actually, many of those people's beliefs are based on blatantly fallacious reasoning - i.e. scientists (or other authorities) say it so it must be true. 
 
To get around the fallacy one has to look at why the (real or supposed) authorities say or believe what they do. Which of course either requires a bit of effort (and often quite a bit  - assuming one is even capable of understanding at all) or else a willingness to accept that one has no clue what the facts really are and thus isn't qualified to hold a relevant opinion on the matter at hand.
 
Unfortunately some scientists, being human, allow this fallacy to go unchallenged even though they almost certainly must know better.
 
The point being that some of us believe the world might be a better place if people didn't get into arguments when they don't actually have any significant knowledge of what they're talking about and instead let the people who actually know things have the discussion.
 
There's nothing wrong with admitting that one doesn't know enough about something to hold an opinion on it - it's actually the first step in being able to learn anything.
2016/10/14 13:38:59
eph221
That is truthy.  But the fact that the Ivy League has a stranglehold on power is the elephant in the room.  The fact that people believe education is the path to smarts and happiness is the elephant in the room.  Neither facts seem to bother people, although on the latter fact tech schools are slowly cropping up.  
2016/10/14 13:45:58
Mesh
Many a times, good old fashioned common sense seems to be lacking.....which eventually will lead to getting at the wrong conclusion.
2016/10/14 14:07:46
eph221
bapu
We don't need no edjumacation!


We're talking about education and power, sorry for the connection to the national situation.  :D:D
2016/10/14 14:34:22
bapu
I'm a power learner.
I'm just not very educated.
 
2016/10/14 14:49:57
DrLumen
Oh no, we don't have any flat earth people in here do we?
2016/10/14 14:57:44
bapu
Just flatheads.
2016/10/14 14:59:34
bapu
DrLumen
Oh no, we don't have any flat earth people in here do we?


Hmmmmmm.... my level says the earth is flat.
2016/10/14 15:16:49
Mesh
She's a beauty ain't she?
 
 

2016/10/14 15:21:06
drewfx1
eph221
That is truthy.  But the fact that the Ivy League has a stranglehold on power is the elephant in the room.  

 
There may indeed be a great many Ivy League educated people in positions of power, but that doesn't imply that Ivy League educated people hold consistent opinions on policy matters, or much of anything IME. 
 

The fact that people believe education is the path to smarts and happiness is the elephant in the room.  

 
I think you will find that many in fact believe decidedly otherwise.
 
 
And I think that if you want to discuss matters such as this, then you should be more careful about loosely and repeatedly substituting the words "truth" or "fact" for "my opinion".
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