Alright enough already. Please knock it off with the troll accusation crap. We have different opinions, that is all. Guess what? Not everyone in the world believes the same stuff you do. But your troll accusations are offensive and insulting. I believe insulting people is violation of the forum terms of service and I believe a moderator already warned you to stop with it. So please stop.

I have clearly stated what my opinion is and exactly what context it relates to. I have also clearly stated that the context I clarified was the only context I was talking about. Which means there is NOTHING in what I said that implies it applies to bad guitar teachers. It doesn't. So get over yourself. Please.

Anyone who teaches theory poorly, guitar teacher or otherwise, probably has no business teaching music at all. But that fact that there are bad teachers out there in no way supports the belief that the subject should not be studied. At least in my opinion. There are bad science teachers out there. Does that mean no one should ever attempt to learn science?
 
And by the way in case this is lost on you, Everything I've stated is my own opinion. Because my opinion is different than yours does not make my opinion wrong. There is no such thing as a wrong opinion. You can disagree with me and that's fine. But unless I state a fact that is incorrect (and you can prove it), I'm not wrong, I'm just a person who has a different opinion than you. And believe me, if I state a fact that you can prove to be incorrect, I absolutely want to call me out on it and I will absolutely admit that I was mistaken. 

But if all you've got is a different opinion than me (and that is all you have BTW), say that you disagree and get over it. Please stop insulting me and please stop with troll crap. I am being nice and I'm asking you to act like the grown up that you are.

what a riot. Ok you win chief!

Calling Troll wasn't called for TBF, especially considering the tone of you replies. All he said was 'hogwash' and you took it up a notch.
 
Can't imagine many Piano teachers saying that learning theory will hold you back. I don't see why guitar is really that different, if you want to learn to play it 'well'.

Another straw argument.
 
Here's an interesting graph of personality types:
 
http://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-personality-type/my-mbti-results/how-frequent-is-my-type.htm
 
If *theory*  (a pretty broad topic) is taught wrong to the wrong personality type, it can get in the way.  That's what he or she said hogwash to.  Re read the posts.
 
 Here's a song you two need to listen to and quit starting wars, please! :D:D
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_etU9MED4k

Nice song. 

Here's a youtube video for you too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5pggDCnt5M

*interesting video*  why'd you share?  I think reading skills are lacking here because the gist of arguments is lost on you .  The logical principle of the argument was *different types of people look at music theory differently*. Not that *myers briggs personality test proves that different types of people look at theory differently.* It's a complete misrepresentation of the argument to suggest that myers briggs is meaningless, unless you're trying to say there's only one way of looking at music theory.  Not sure if that's what you're suggesting.  Is that what you're suggesting?  Positivism and empiricism was already debunked as simply a style of learning. One only has to look at the level of innovation in british philosophy;  nothing new in over a century What's basically at work here is that you are of the supervening personality type of your own music theory class.  Everything lined up for you.  That's great.  All I'm saying is that you shouldn't teach music theory without taking into account the personality styles (learning styles) of your students.  It's narcissistic to do otherwise.  And that, theory can *get in the way* if those don't line up.  It's possible.  Just take a poll of your students if you don't like myers briggs.  Just ask:  does theory get in the way of expressing yourself sometimes?  I'll bet you at least 25% of them will say yes.  Want a bet?

I'll leave your interpretations of my reading skills and what ever I'm suggestion to you, you seem happier that way. I posted to say your reaction to Johan because he used the word 'hogwash' was over the top and to call him a troll whilst you posted in your tone is a bit rich.

Woot, love wins (again)! :D:D
 
If anyone is in Portland and needs a Hammond, this is a deal!
 
http://portland.craigslis...lk/msg/5824271369.html

eph221
Just take a poll of your students if you don't like myers briggs.  Just ask:  does theory get in the way of expressing yourself sometimes?  I'll bet you at least 25% of them will say yes.  Want a bet?

I bet you're right. I'll also bet that if you go to  a prison and ask each inmate if they're innocent, you'll easily hit that 25% number. And then I'll bet that if you go to a mental hospital and ask each patient if they have a genuine mental health related reason for being there, you'll get at least 25% that will say they do not.

Here's the reality. Writing music is not easy. Its tough. And sometimes we sit down to do it and we simply cannot. We can find all sorts of reasons to blame that on and sometimes, some of them have some validity. But most of the time, the reason we're not coming up the with the next White Album is because we're just not that good at it. But rarely will anyone cite that as the reason they didn't have much success writing that day.

If you disagree, no skin off my teeth.