Not a smart-arse question, genuinely interested to know. It seems like just months ago that Cake staff were on here quite emphatically saying VST3 is unnecessary, hyped up and quite useless (of course those weren't their words, but can't be bothered looking for the original threads) and that they had no plans to implement it in the future - what caused the U-turn?

From what I recall Noel thought it was hyped up as everything VST3 did could already be accomplished with 2.4 plus extensions. He said they were not against it but that it was not a pressing concern.
 
Maybe one of the Bakers can clarify "why now?" but I bet it was lots of little things- one of which may have been the survey. 

management

Hyped up = marketing 

jamescollins
Not a smart-arse question, genuinely interested to know. It seems like just months ago that Cake staff were on here quite emphatically saying VST3 is unnecessary, hyped up and quite useless (of course those weren't their words, but can't be bothered looking for the original threads) and that they had no plans to implement it in the future - what caused the U-turn?

I don't recall them saying it wouldn't be implemented in the future..? My guess is that they've had plans to implement it in X3 from the start but (naturally) haven't been able to talk with us about it.
 
I don't think their implementation of VST3 comes too late.. There are no plugins out there that are exclusively VST3 yet, as far as I know. Cakewalk haven't fallen behind regarding this and since it'll be included in X3 it's nothing they've just changed their minds about.. Programming takes time.. :)

I seem to remember them saying they didn't have any plans to implement it, but I may well be wrong! Yeah I'm not saying they're too late or criticizing them in any way (it's a good thing) I was just wondering why the apparent shift in thinking. Perhaps it was something specific that pushed them over the edge? Or maybe the devs have always wanted it, but their boss said no before?! Or maybe they felt they could just sell more copies with VST3.

Anyway, pure useless speculation :-) Unless any bakers want to chime in?

Why do some people constantly attribute malice and greed to everything that Cakewalk do?  It reminds me of those bitter and twisted comments that fourteen year old saddos leave on every YouTube video.
Two more twats blocked.

jamescollins
I seem to remember them saying they didn't have any plans to implement it, but I may well be wrong! Yeah I'm not saying they're too late or criticizing them in any way (it's a good thing) I was just wondering why the apparent shift in thinking. Perhaps it was something specific that pushed them over the edge? Or maybe the devs have always wanted it, but their boss said no before?! Or maybe they felt they could just sell more copies with VST3.

Anyway, pure useless speculation :-) Unless any bakers want to chime in?

Yeah it's hard to say.. :)
But really.. With all due respect, we're just their customers.. :) They have no obligations to tell us anything really. Especially if it's just something in development or in their to-do list.
 
Talking about things that aren't official maybe would make us customers really happy and excited.. But it would also give their competitors an insight of what's coming and (if they would have to change their minds about a future feature update) it would be quite embarrassing to have to tell everyone that "..well.. no.. that thing we were telling you all about before.. It won't happen.. sorry". Just think about all the hate this would bring..

I would guess it has something to do w/ Steinberg no longer supporting VST2 and them not having much of a choice as VST2 will eventually become outdated and obsolete.  This was a fairly recently announcement, but I'm just assuming that Cakewalk would see this coming and/or would probably hear about it before we did.

For a company that has historically prided itself on "industry firsts", the resistance to VST 3 was kinda wierd. I love the VST3 functionality in, ahem, a competitor because, among other things, parameters & remote control of them is way faster and smoother. Not sure if note expression is a VST3 thing or not....but that's amazing.