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2013/09/26 14:38:03
pbognar
cityrat
pbognar

Warning:  possible stupid question ahead...
 
Assuming the X3 Staff View is pretty much the same as before, in theory, would it be possible for someone to develop or modify an existing notation editing plugin which adheres to the ARA implementation / standard?
 
I mean, if you can have Melodyne exist as an alternate audio editor, why couldn't you have an alternate MIDI editor?



Warning: possible stupid answer.... but maybe that is what what Studio 1 is doing with Notion?   Of course, they would want to keep it limited to S1 so were stuck wishing for someone (either Gibson/Tascam or ??) to develop a the notation functionality.
 
 
 
 
riojazz
The feature list from Sweetwater (which might have had errors) disappeared before I could review it thoroughly.  There wasn't any mention of an improved STAFF VIEW, was there?




No.  




@riojazz - it doesn't look like there are any improvements in SV, but we should really wait until the official announcement and new functionality / bug fix list.
 
@cityrat - an ARA compliant notation plug does not have to be developed internally.  An existing application (like Notion) could be acquired, or a 3rd party notation company could provide an ARA compliant notation plug.  The key is that it sounds like ARA is deeply integrated in X3.  This is good news for not only notation plugs, but plugs we haven't even imagined yet. 
2013/09/26 15:20:24
dantarbill
pbognar
jamescollins

... And the possibilities reach far beyond Melodyne - for instance, Presonus have just bought Notion, and it seems likely that they'll link that into S1 using ARA - this would be fantastic (although pure specualtion). Instead of tacking on half-arsed features that don't really work, ARA allows devs to integrate the real thing with their DAW. 




D'oh!!! This was the object of my ARA speculation.  Thinking was that if Melodyne could edit Sonar audio, why couldn't an ARA compliant notation plug edit Sonar MIDI data.  And here I thought there was some sort of relationship between Cakewalk and Notion.  Let's hope there is another notation company out there interested in developing a notation plug.


 
ARA (Audio Random Access) gives the plugin a broader view into the hosts audio stream than the single instant in time at the current playback position.  While it's pretty cool for giving a plug a context view, rather than an instantaneous view of audio...I doubt that it will be useful at all for notation, since that's MIDI related.  (That is unless we're also considering audio to MIDI conversion.)
2013/09/26 15:35:39
pbognar
dantarbill
pbognar
jamescollins

... And the possibilities reach far beyond Melodyne - for instance, Presonus have just bought Notion, and it seems likely that they'll link that into S1 using ARA - this would be fantastic (although pure specualtion). Instead of tacking on half-arsed features that don't really work, ARA allows devs to integrate the real thing with their DAW. 




D'oh!!! This was the object of my ARA speculation.  Thinking was that if Melodyne could edit Sonar audio, why couldn't an ARA compliant notation plug edit Sonar MIDI data.  And here I thought there was some sort of relationship between Cakewalk and Notion.  Let's hope there is another notation company out there interested in developing a notation plug.


 
ARA (Audio Random Access) gives the plugin a broader view into the hosts audio stream than the single instant in time at the current playback position.  While it's pretty cool for giving a plug a context view, rather than an instantaneous view of audio...I doubt that it will be useful at all for notation, since that's MIDI related.  (That is unless we're also considering audio to MIDI conversion.)




Per Noel - and perhaps I'm misunderstanding:
 
"I would venture to say that the ARA implementation in SONAR goes even further. SONAR support true independent ARA regions - i.e you can make copies of ARA clips and edit them independently. Also the ARA editing and MIDI integration is very deep, with full drag and drop support, and integrated live preview and scrub inside the melodyne editor. Additionally we were careful to not make ARA support exclusive to Melodyne. Any plugin that supports the ARA spec will be available as a region based effect in SONAR, so the implementation is very open.  I worked very closely with the Celemony team all through this year and I have to say that they were a wonderful and committed team of people to work with. There have been many fixes and enhancements to ARA as a result of this collaboration, some of which were included in the last Melodyne update."
2013/09/26 19:15:28
bobletteross
Hmmm...9/28 a Saturday?....hmmm...
 
If going by my Cakewalk store account (yes, I am one to jump and upgrade when the bell rings) the last two new release rollouts (X1 and X2) were on Wednesdays, no?
2013/09/26 19:39:25
noldar12
Well, I really hope this update works out well (still on 8.5.3).  As do some others, I really do need to be fully able to adjust colors in order to be able to work with the program.  A better staff view would also really help, but I've long since given up on that one.  I can continue to live with doing the bulk of the work in a notation program and only when finished there import the result into Sonar.
2013/09/27 00:10:02
yevster
The release date may be immersed in murk of mystery and sequestered in solemn secrecy (alliteration, baby!), but there is the IMSTA Festa in New York on September 28th. Can one assume an attendee of that blessed nerd orgy will get to glimpse the amazing array of awesomeness?
2013/09/27 00:36:25
Andrew Rossa
yevster
The release date may be immersed in murk of mystery and sequestered in solemn secrecy (alliteration, baby!), but there is the IMSTA Festa in New York on September 28th. Can one assume an attendee of that blessed nerd orgy will get to glimpse the amazing array of awesomeness?




That would be a good guess. I'll be at IMSTA so hope to see local folks stop by. 
2013/09/27 00:48:46
yevster
Wicked! See you there!
2013/09/27 03:11:35
Loptec
Andrew Rossa [Cakewalk]
yevster
The release date may be immersed in murk of mystery and sequestered in solemn secrecy (alliteration, baby!), but there is the IMSTA Festa in New York on September 28th. Can one assume an attendee of that blessed nerd orgy will get to glimpse the amazing array of awesomeness?




That would be a good guess. I'll be at IMSTA so hope to see local folks stop by. 




Will people that can't attent the IMSTA Festa get the news at the same time somewhere else? I'd love to attend but if I got the ticket from Sweden to the US I wouldn't have enough money left to buy the upgrade afterwards.
2013/09/27 03:15:17
mudgel
Yeh! Gonna hop a flight from Australia to be there. Dang! I can't I'm waiting on the Sonar release.
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