Hi, John. I was wondering where you were. Hope you've been well.
 
The secrecy really is the least of my issues but last year we seemed to have gotten plenty of official promo details from Cake. IIRC they didn't let these types of leaks even come close to getting the drop on them. Just one day there was an announcement and the info started to flow. I'm sure this has to do with the corporate weirdness going on but beyond that the Bakers kind of abandoned the forum starting around february. We were getting regular interaction about general mundane stuff (like helping users with questions and the like) the whole summer but they just disappeared this year. Even not talking about new releases but just being around can put folks at ease. Now I could see why they might not want to hang around so much or were instructed not to pop in as frequently because some people were outright abusive towards them. However in those over the top scenarios I personally would have just said "Lookit... chill out mufugga or we're gonna show you the door". I think the leniency and tolerance is laudable but if someone is just being a constant jerk don't let them chase you off. Boot them.
 
But that's all pretty OT. This is about the price. For those looking for the extra plugs and stuff it's probably a fair price. For those who simply want things already there to work a little better... not so much. I absolutely adore X2 which I try to bring up every time I start speaking negatively like this. I'm happy with the design and the feature set. If it worked a little better then I'd be happy. I do seriously hope they consider the idea of some kind of lower priced X2 patch after all the X3 hoopla settles. Cheers.

Bristol_Jonesey
Off Topic - have you seen the GUI of the soon-to-be-released BFD3?
 
http://www.gearslutz.com/...-soon.html#post9454820

Oh, crap. I didn't realize that was happening. Looks cool but I want to snag 2 on discount before it disappears (don't want to pay full price and once 3 is released you know it'll be full price for a looong time). Better start keeping an eye on their site. Cheers.
 
Huh. I don't suppose it's gonna go any lower than the $129 it's currently at. I wonder if I'll still be able to snag the upgrade after they release 3. No flow right now and I wanted to get my VRM box first.

I find it interesting folk aren't comparing stuff "like for like" ..
 
1) logic's upgrade model relies on someone to buy a machine also.. and it's pretty much locked in to apple, due to it. Yep they really changed the model / prices compared to other companies. cutting DAW prices by half pretty much for their rivals.
 
2)pro audio is niche market, user base isn't like "windows" etc.. so yes it's development but a specialist area and the budgets are vastly different. can't really realistically be compared.
 
3)Avid again area a bit like apple, your locked in to them.. I don't have anything good to say about their "so called" support and they were more interesting in telling me about charging for something than helping.
 
4)Being outside the US is another aspect for the rest of us. Competing with EU based DAW's etc.
 
I can't see sonar getting a new GUI overhaul due to to the silly amount of work / change that went into "X"
 
I will compare it to cubase.. I prefer how they deal with updates / bugfixes.. and you don't seem forced into buying updates just to get bug fixes.. or "version +1" of whatever it is..
 
again , a lot of focus is on extra plugins..  LE and SE versions are a bit like bait on a fishing hook.. give em enough to want to upgrade. Except some aren't sonar exclusive and I got em elsewhere e.g. the AAS ones with a korg keyboard I own. Or other plugins which I probably have better sounding ones of.
 
I'd rather be paying more for work on the core program then any licensed extra's.
 
even with things like tape delay etc.. am I expecting it to be as good as u-he satin ? not really.. but I'd rather buy satin than pay for something I'll only upgrade. It's not like I can demo that either.. just see a GUI and have no feel of the actual sound.
 
if it is a jump to x3 directly "end of" .. then yep they have succeeded in getting a few backs up in the process.
 
I'm guessing a few of us will let the bugs settle down and to find out what is gonna change / happen... the yearly game of poker with the marketing department that I am getting used to. (this is why I like u-he / fabfilter / d16 / psp.. things are straight forward and I don't have to 2nd guess em)
 
 

I just want to reiterate that we don't 100% know what the upgrade price will be. The $150 was on a sweetwater ad that was premature and taken down quickly after it appeared. CW have offered us early adopters discounts in the past. who knows, they may again.

S.A remembers last years not so "exclusive" exclusive strings ? that I could have got with the boxed version from elsewhere later ? pricing is the same pretty much.. until it's on the shelf thats pretty much a place holder.
 
 

I am far more concerned with the Tascam/Gibson thing than I am with the cost of X3.  I still have X1d and will stay there til I am between customers and I hear more about Take Lanes and other X3>X3 issues.
 
Just sayin

Fog
S.A remembers last years not so "exclusive" exclusive strings ? that I could have got with the boxed version from elsewhere later ? pricing is the same pretty much.. until it's on the shelf thats pretty much a place holder.
 
 

lol... yeah. I wasn't aware of the Sonar release cycle when I bought the Production Suite in May 2012. A month later they were offering a $100 discount and a little later $100 and a free upgrade to X2 (or something like that) which included most of the stuff I paid the extra $100 for the suite for. Man did I feel like a shlub. Then the early adopter deal with the strings came along so I figured at least I could get SOME kind of deal out of Cake. Then shortly after the release a bunch of people were stamping their feet that they didn't get the strings pack (even though it was supposed to be for early adopters) and Cake caved and gave them the strings anyway.
 
I basically paid (going by my fuzzy math) an extra $300 for the exact same bundle others got (maybe $200... can't be arsed to make the calculations without any tea in me).
 
So if I seem cranky about things now people should know I've been kind of taking a beating from Cake from the beginning. I rarely mention it and I'm staying calm now (I think) but yeah... this has been a little messed up.
 
No regrets though. I don't think I could have done anything differently with the info I was provided.

Oh and then there was the time I discovered the Andy John's kit for SD3 was on sale for $20 and started a thread asking others opinion of it. Well I guess the Cake marketing team had forgotten to take the special of the site (it was supposed to have ended a week earlier) and pulled the special before I had a chance to buy it. Rail from PS showed up seeing how upset I was and offered to sell me the pack directly for the $20 sale price. Cake said nothing.
 
Okay... I should stop thinking about this stuff before I get myself in a froth.

Beepster

Bristol_Jonesey
Off Topic - have you seen the GUI of the soon-to-be-released BFD3?
 
http://www.gearslutz.com/...-soon.html#post9454820

Oh, crap. I didn't realize that was happening. Looks cool but I want to snag 2 on discount before it disappears (don't want to pay full price and once 3 is released you know it'll be full price for a looong time). Better start keeping an eye on their site. Cheers.
 
Huh. I don't suppose it's gonna go any lower than the $129 it's currently at. I wonder if I'll still be able to snag the upgrade after they release 3. No flow right now and I wanted to get my VRM box first.

Rumour has it that there will be NO discounted price for upgrades to BFD3.
 
Full price or nothing.
Think I'm going too pass on this one

Bristol_Jonesey

Beepster

Bristol_Jonesey
Off Topic - have you seen the GUI of the soon-to-be-released BFD3?
 
http://www.gearslutz.com/...-soon.html#post9454820

Oh, crap. I didn't realize that was happening. Looks cool but I want to snag 2 on discount before it disappears (don't want to pay full price and once 3 is released you know it'll be full price for a looong time). Better start keeping an eye on their site. Cheers.
 
Huh. I don't suppose it's gonna go any lower than the $129 it's currently at. I wonder if I'll still be able to snag the upgrade after they release 3. No flow right now and I wanted to get my VRM box first.

Rumour has it that there will be NO discounted price for upgrades to BFD3.
 
Full price or nothing.
Think I'm going too pass on this one

Whoa. That's messed up. Do you happen to know if they sell boxed BFD2 upgrades for Eco? If I can't scrounge up the cash before the new release (which will most DEFINITELY not be possible if the Oct 7 rumor is true) then maybe I can snag an old stock box. Otherwise I guess I'll have to buy the full boxed version of BFD2. I should look into whether they do allow license transfers as well. Maybe ebay will have some deals.
 
Gawd I hate being broke. It makes things ever so complicated.