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  • Sonar X2 keeps crashing!
2013/09/25 12:52:26
Eric Johnson
Hello guys this is my first post so please bear with me.... I updated from sonar 6 PE to Sonar X2 Producer a few weeks ago, and I have had nothing but issues! I cant even finish a project without Sonar crashing. Most of the time it wont display a dump file it will just close. I was running on Vista but just upgraded to Windows 8 hoping that would resolve the issues, but still freezing up (particularly on soft synths opening or editing while the project is playing). Sometimes it will give me an "Out of memory" message. I don't have much memory but I figured 3 GB is enough to run Sonar smoother than this! Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!
 
Eric Johnson
 
Sonar X2 Producer - Compaq Presario CQ 5110y PC - AMD Athlon X2 7550 dual Core Processor - 320 GB Hard drive - 3 GB 2Rx8 PC2-6400U RAM - Focusrite Scarlett 18i20 USB Audio Interface - Windows 8 32 bit
2013/09/25 13:05:55
Grumbleweed_
Two things:
Are you really Eric Johnson?
Your computer specs are not up to scratch if you want to run a modern DAW (some DAWs state 4 GB of ram as a minimum and the 2 GB listed as minimum on this site won't go anywhere).

Grum.
2013/09/25 13:51:35
StepD
It's probably either a problem with a plugin in the project (disable all, then enable one at a time until you find the culprit) or the new UI is causing your video resources to run out (check for video driver updates, or you may need a new video card).
2013/09/25 14:10:36
robert_e_bone
Are you perhaps running with 32-bit projects in a 64-bit install of Sonar?  If so, please know that some plugins do not play well in a 64-bit Sonar.
 
Please list all plugins loaded into one of these problem projects.
 
Bob Bone
 
2013/09/25 14:20:21
Grumbleweed_
Minimum CPU ref this web site:
(Intel Core 2 Duo E8200 2.67 GHz /) AMD Phenom Quad Core 9750 2.4 Ghz or higher.
Actual CPU:
AMD Athlon X2 7550 dual Core Processor.
 
You guys can come up with this and that solutions but the bottom line is the computer is not up to spec and will always be a limitation to any kind of free-flowing creativity.
 
Grum.
2013/09/25 14:22:40
Eric Johnson
Hey Bob,
 
I have quite a few soft synths running as in Dimension Pro, Rapture, Session Drummer 3, and Z3ta.... I also have audio plugins like Breverb, Vx-64 Vocal Strip, LP-EQ, Percussion Strip, Multiband EQ, and compressors on most channels on. It's 32 bit Sonar and 32 Bit Windows 8. My processor is 64 bit, so would it be more efficient to install windows 8 64 bit and sonar x2 64 bit? Thanks!
 
 
2013/09/25 14:28:03
Eric Johnson
Hey Grum,
 
Unfortunately I am not the famous guitarist Eric Johnson haha. I am a guitarist named Eric Johnson though. I used to have "Cliffs Of Dover" pretty close but now the most i can play is the intro and a few verses haha. So my processor isn't enough is what youre saying? And memory?
2013/09/25 14:34:20
Grumbleweed_
Eric Johnson
Hey Bob,
 
I have quite a few soft synths running as in Dimension Pro, Rapture, Session Drummer 3, and Z3ta.... I also have audio plugins like Breverb, Vx-64 Vocal Strip, LP-EQ, Percussion Strip, Multiband EQ, and compressors on most channels on. It's 32 bit Sonar and 32 Bit Windows 8. My processor is 64 bit, so would it be more efficient to install windows 8 64 bit and sonar x2 64 bit? Thanks!
 
 


We had Elton John the other day!
Going by the recommended specs your memory is on the edge and the processor doesn't make it.
If I load a pimped out Superior Drummer kit that alone is heading for 2GB of ram. Modern DAWs need modern resources.
Sad but true. 
 
Grum
2013/09/25 14:49:53
robert_e_bone
Seems like you are pushing a lot through that computer - you might consider upgrading your hardware to something beefier.
 
I do not know if trying to run that in 64-bit land would help or not.
 
It might be that you have too much going for that computer's capability.
 
Try shifting common effects to a single bus, rather than having multiple copies of the same plugin and that sort of thing.
 
Bob Bone
 
2013/09/25 14:54:13
Beepster
You could probably get the system to run X2 BUT you'll need to fiddle with project much more than you would with an up to spec system. What you should do is build the project up layer by layer using freeze and/or bounce for your softsynths. Example: Get your midi drums together then bounce them. Import the wave file into a new project then put your MIDI bass together (or whatever you want to do next) and bounce to audio and drag it into another new project. Keep doing this until you have enough of a foundation to record your guitar or other live parts over. Record all the live parts you need over top of that (if need be bounce all your backing tracks to a stereo wave so you can jam over top of it each time). Once you have all your live performances done you can increase your buffers so that your computer can handle your mixing and editing. You can crank them WAY up for this because latency doesn't matter in post.
 
Basically what you are trying to do is keep your synth count down, your live track count down, your active effects down, etc as you record the live parts. Once you have your performance all laid down go back to the first project, raise your buffers, drag all the performances you made into the project so they are editable (eg: if you need to do some midi editing with active synths you will be able to with your buffers cranked up) and then while editing freeze your tracks/synths effects as you go.
 
Just keep it to low track count audio as much as possible while tracking and you can make an underpowered system work. It's the live synths and effects that start eating up resources. Put the Performance Module into the Sonar Control Bar (right click the Control Bar and select Performance Module until it replaces one of the other modules) and you can keep an eye on how much RAM and CPU you are absorbing.
 
You may not need to go as all out with the bounce/import to new project procedure as I described but that is one way to free up resource. Again try the track Freeze button as much as possible first to minimize the amount of bounces/imports you need to do.
 
It is a chaotic way of working but it will minimize resource usage.
 
There are however much smarter folks than I on here who may be able to provide more refined and elegant ways of approaching this. Also call Cakewalk support to get some tips on system optimization but simple things like disabling startup programs, AVs and windows power management features can keep things from crashing as well.
 
Good luck.
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