stickman393

stevec
FWIW, I think there are still a few things that VVocal can do better or at least easier, particularly on the timing side of things. 

I agree, Steve.

You can move notes in Melodyne, I use the tool frequently.
 
John 

The project in which i worked with Melodyne required me to clean up after another engineers misdeeds- he used three mics to record three to five people SIMULTANEOUSLY.  The takes were far from perfect and REQUIRED Melodyne polyphonic pitch isolation and correction.   It was a painstaking process, but it saved those takes and made them usable.  Assembling the same singers again was not an option in this case.  
I would never have let the singers record together unless they were ALL nailing it.  It's unlikely that I would need that same functionality often- but for producing tracks from a polyphonic sample or even just correcting the pitch of a single note in a guitar chord, I would love to have the FULL functionality.  
If Vvocal didn't have artifacts and was 100% stable, it would be the shiznit.  

ryannadon
Noob question....
 
I already have editor. I use the plugin quite a bit. What are the perks of this integrated version over using the plug? Also, will you still have to launch Melodyne from the fx bin or is different? A dockable view like the PRV maybe??

The pic on another thread here shows it in a dockable view, yes.
I use Editor a lot and I guess we'll have to wait to see how more convenient it is in the ARA setting.  I've used it in Studio One since they first implemented ARA and I have to say I prefer the method I currently have to use in Sonar, i.e. inserting Melodyne as an effect, bouncing the result to a fresh clip on another track and so on.  Only a few days now and we can try the X3 incarnation! 

BlixYZ
The project in which i worked with Melodyne required me to clean up after another engineers misdeeds- he used three mics to record three to five people SIMULTANEOUSLY.  The takes were far from perfect and REQUIRED Melodyne polyphonic pitch isolation and correction.   It was a painstaking process, but it saved those takes and made them usable.  Assembling the same singers again was not an option in this case.  
I would never have let the singers record together unless they were ALL nailing it.  It's unlikely that I would need that same functionality often- but for producing tracks from a polyphonic sample or even just correcting the pitch of a single note in a guitar chord, I would love to have the FULL functionality.  
If Vvocal didn't have artifacts and was 100% stable, it would be the shiznit.  

Jon (from Tech Support) and I used Editor to fix an out of tune Grand Piano

Mesh
Since I'm probably not going to get X3/Melodyne immediately, I guess I'm going to have to keep practicing on my timing and singing in the correct key.

What? like one of those real musishkans?

Skyline_UK

stickman393

stevec
FWIW, I think there are still a few things that VVocal can do better or at least easier, particularly on the timing side of things. 

I agree, Steve.

You can move notes in Melodyne, I use the tool frequently.
 
John 

Me too, that's why I specifically pointed out that moving individual notes is so much easier in MD.   But if you wanted to take a specific set of notes and move them all closer together or further apart relative to each other, VVocal's timing section can do that much easier.    Granted, I don't do that a lot, and I do use MD way more often.    But VVocal still has its uses for me.
 

wizard71

Mesh
Since I'm probably not going to get X3/Melodyne immediately, I guess I'm going to have to keep practicing on my timing and singing in the correct key.

What? like one of those real musishkans?

.....thinking about a yodeling Melody -ne volunteers?

stevec
FWIW, I think there are still a few things that VVocal can do better or at least easier, particularly on the timing side of things.  Like the way you can grab a section between markers and stretch/compress at will.   And it does have the pencil tool.  
 
But for pitch correction/editing, and just moving individual notes (aka blobs) around, I find Melodyne to be the better choice.   And it also does some things that VVocal does not (or not as easy).  It's often more accurate/realistic to split the breath or consonant from a word and just adjust the "body" of the wave.  Easy peasy.
 

I agree as well.  I have been using Melodyne Editor for a while now, and it is an amazing tool for getting a whole vocal track in tune, but super fine (penciling in) of vocal pitches, especially the vocal onsets (first part of the pitched note) was far easier and more granular in V-Vocal.  The combination of the two is unstoppable for pitch editing/correcting in my opinion.  The fact that Sonar can still use an integrated V-Vocal and now comes with an integrated Melodyne seems to put it at an advantage over other DAWs.  Are there any other pitch editing tools as "finely granular" as V-Vocal? 
 
I think the granularity of V-Vocal is what often caused problems for people using it when they really needed broader brush strokes because the "fineness" of it across the board caused artifacts.  However, after the broad brush strokes have been applied with something like Melodyne, I haven't found anything on par with V-Vocal to make those minutely detailed pencil strokes on small bits of the pitched audio data.  Just my $.02.  The bottom line is that Sonar rules, and having access to both of these tools has been indispensable in my studio!
 
Keep up the good work Cakewalk (Development)!

+1    Having them both, in one DAW, should be a wonderful thing!

Seth Kellogg [Cakewalk]

BlixYZ
The project in which i worked with Melodyne required me to clean up after another engineers misdeeds- he used three mics to record three to five people SIMULTANEOUSLY.  The takes were far from perfect and REQUIRED Melodyne polyphonic pitch isolation and correction.   It was a painstaking process, but it saved those takes and made them usable.  Assembling the same singers again was not an option in this case.  
I would never have let the singers record together unless they were ALL nailing it.  It's unlikely that I would need that same functionality often- but for producing tracks from a polyphonic sample or even just correcting the pitch of a single note in a guitar chord, I would love to have the FULL functionality.  
If Vvocal didn't have artifacts and was 100% stable, it would be the shiznit.  

Jon (from Tech Support) and I used Editor to fix an out of tune Grand Piano

I've never done a piano but I've fixed missed guitar chords, bad bends and out of tune notes in chords.