soulicious

stevec
FWIW, I think there are still a few things that VVocal can do better or at least easier, particularly on the timing side of things.  Like the way you can grab a section between markers and stretch/compress at will.   And it does have the pencil tool.  
 
But for pitch correction/editing, and just moving individual notes (aka blobs) around, I find Melodyne to be the better choice.   And it also does some things that VVocal does not (or not as easy).  It's often more accurate/realistic to split the breath or consonant from a word and just adjust the "body" of the wave.  Easy peasy.
 

I agree as well.  I have been using Melodyne Editor for a while now, and it is an amazing tool for getting a whole vocal track in tune, but super fine (penciling in) of vocal pitches, especially the vocal onsets (first part of the pitched note) was far easier and more granular in V-Vocal.  The combination of the two is unstoppable for pitch editing/correcting in my opinion.  The fact that Sonar can still use an integrated V-Vocal and now comes with an integrated Melodyne seems to put it at an advantage over other DAWs.  Are there any other pitch editing tools as "finely granular" as V-Vocal? 
 
I think the granularity of V-Vocal is what often caused problems for people using it when they really needed broader brush strokes because the "fineness" of it across the board caused artifacts.  However, after the broad brush strokes have been applied with something like Melodyne, I haven't found anything on par with V-Vocal to make those minutely detailed pencil strokes on small bits of the pitched audio data.  Just my $.02.  The bottom line is that Sonar rules, and having access to both of these tools has been indispensable in my studio!
 
Keep up the good work Cakewalk (Development)!

Agreed.  Surgical things done with the pencil (Curve Tool) are pretty cool.

Mod Bod

soulicious

stevec
FWIW, I think there are still a few things that VVocal can do better or at least easier, particularly on the timing side of things.  Like the way you can grab a section between markers and stretch/compress at will.   And it does have the pencil tool.  
 
But for pitch correction/editing, and just moving individual notes (aka blobs) around, I find Melodyne to be the better choice.   And it also does some things that VVocal does not (or not as easy).  It's often more accurate/realistic to split the breath or consonant from a word and just adjust the "body" of the wave.  Easy peasy.
 

I agree as well.  I have been using Melodyne Editor for a while now, and it is an amazing tool for getting a whole vocal track in tune, but super fine (penciling in) of vocal pitches, especially the vocal onsets (first part of the pitched note) was far easier and more granular in V-Vocal.  The combination of the two is unstoppable for pitch editing/correcting in my opinion.  The fact that Sonar can still use an integrated V-Vocal and now comes with an integrated Melodyne seems to put it at an advantage over other DAWs.  Are there any other pitch editing tools as "finely granular" as V-Vocal? 
 
I think the granularity of V-Vocal is what often caused problems for people using it when they really needed broader brush strokes because the "fineness" of it across the board caused artifacts.  However, after the broad brush strokes have been applied with something like Melodyne, I haven't found anything on par with V-Vocal to make those minutely detailed pencil strokes on small bits of the pitched audio data.  Just my $.02.  The bottom line is that Sonar rules, and having access to both of these tools has been indispensable in my studio!
 
Keep up the good work Cakewalk (Development)!

Agreed.  Surgical things done with the pencil (Curve Tool) are pretty cool.

I'm going to have to try that!  I've been using Melodyne for years and it's served my purposes well.  I've only used V-Vocal for quick little fixes.  For the most part it worked OK.
 

markyzno
I'll bypass and get some decent musicians to record.

:)
 
I have been doing the 30-day eval, and I am glad I didn't pull the trigger on anything.  I am far more interested in it with the tighter integration.  But it isn't just about fixing mistakes.  Granted that is probably the most common use.  But I am using it as a pitch training exercise.  You can easily see exactly where each note falls by  looking at the Melodyne blobs.  I can usually get each note inside the Melodyne boundaries for that note, but not always dead center.
 
I used it the other day to help putting together a practice track for an arrangement I was doing for a jazz singer.  He had a particular ending in mind for the tune.  I thought I knew what he wanted, but when we got to the rehearsal, I was off the mark.  I had recorded him singing the verses to that song.  After the rehearsal, I was able to use Melodyne to pick up the words and phrases used in the verses and put them exactly where I thought he wanted them for the ending, together with the band arrangement.  I was able to send that to him for approval, and he confirmed it was exactly what he wanted.  So I avoided the possibility of wasting a second rehearsal.  And the next time this comes up, I'll do it before the first rehearsal.  Melodyne is a really powerful tool that goes way beyond fixing inferior performances.