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  • Tuner - installing Guitar Rig LE 4 AFTER X1 installation?
2012/07/15 12:09:53
mkxxx
After having massive problems installing/registering X1 Producer, Dimension Pro and other related things from dvd, I read that the Guitar Rig tuner is OK. As I didn't initially install Guitar Rig, I don't have a clue as how to install it - I can't find it by reading the dvd's contents in the Windows Explorer ... can anynone please help?

The dvd-sleeves I was supplied with hadn't been labelled correctly: Any sticker with the X1 serial number was missing completely - but CW support were very quick to help! Only one of the four dvd-sleeves I was supplied with carried stickers: dvd 1, which contains the installation for X1, confusingly had serials for Dimension Pro and Guitar Rig 4 LE

I would use a freeware tuner I used to use on my former PC, but no matter what I install and set in Windows, I can't get any audio going through to the tuner.
 
2012/07/15 12:28:55
Beepster
??? If you installed all the content I'd imagine the exe is in there somewhere. Check your Start menu for a folder named Guitar Rig or Native Instruments. Also the version that comes with Sonar actually gets registered at NI as a special Sonar version so perhaps if you get a hold of NI they could send you a new link or something. I'd check with Cakewalk first though. They might have a download link for the exe as well. Also I just checked and GR came on disc one of my DVD set which I believe is the set up disc. At least that's the disc that has the registration number for GR. I bought the Suite though so it might be different for your version. The tuner is awesome. Super accurate.
2012/07/15 13:40:38
mkxxx
  Thanx Beepster! I checked on dvd 1 and nothing there looks like an '.exe' for Guitar Rig - there's also no reference to it on my PC (just ran three searches and checked manually, too). I think I clicked it off when it was offered as an installation option, so there's no GR.exe on my machine. Would I be right in assuming that clicking 'autorun.exe' on dvd 1, starting the X1 installation, could lead to GR being offered as one of the options there? I'm just too timid to continue by clicking 'install' again, for fear of compromising my current X1 installation which was absolute hell to get running - it's still a bit dubious ...
2012/07/15 13:56:38
joakes
Guitar Rig is in one of the .bin files. There is no separate .exe file, the installation starts up at the end of the Sonar installation.

You would have noticed it as you get to accept it or refuse it. Check your Start Menu.

If you're sure its not there, try doing a Custom Install of Sonar, only checking what you want installed.

Cheers,
Jerry
2012/07/15 14:12:27
Beepster
Yeah, if you unchecked it on install you borked yourself a little. Try the custom install as joakes said and just check off GR while excluding everything else. Also it might be good practice for you to actually uninstall X1 and reinstall it again if you had a hard time because you may have to do it again at some point so it's something you want to be familiar with. Just a thought.
2012/07/15 14:37:25
mkxxx
  Thanx again beepster AND Thanx Joakes!
If I go and uninstall X1 and reinstall INCLUDING Guitar Rig this time, will I have to register Dimension Pro, SI-Strings etc., too (same registration code, or do I need new ones?)?
I'll try the custom install first - very grateful for the encouragement good people!! I'll report on any success.

I will practise installing X1 - I might have no choice! I do install software quite regularly (I build my PCs and usually have at least dual-boot systems with Linux etc.), it's just that I feel I'm getting too old for the hassle X1 is giving me: first no serial, then registration needed on Dimension Pro and SI-Strings, which had to be done 'as administrator', so now I can't use SI-Strings unless I started X1 as administrator, inexplicable sporadic drop outs after inserting certain VST effects (for instance LP-64 EQ) or after simply jumping to another part in the arrangement, missing recordings despite seeing the waveform during recording, and other assorted difficulties.
2012/07/15 14:47:34
Linear Phase
I'm getting drop outs with the LP-64!  That's true.  That's a bug and ought to be fixed.

Be careful, the X1 installation instructions specifically mention something about not installing over a Dim Pro install, dl them from your store account.

About the reg codes...  I dunno what's happening with that.   


Lot's of people are having audio dropouts for various reasons though...  I'd really like a bad ass audio card, before I commit to blaming Sonar though..  Like if I had a Focusrite Saffire 56..  I bet I'd be able to figure out the problem.  Right now I'm doing, "el cheapo," on the audio card front....
2012/07/15 14:48:04
Beepster
I believe it would be the same registration numbers. I'm not understanding exactly why you had such a hard time. There were no serial numbers with your product??? That's weird. But I think that info is on the splash screens anyway. Also you should have to use "Run As Administrator" after the initial installation process is complete. As far as the drop outs that's pretty whack. A few things I'd suggest... a) make sure you have updated to the X1 D patch b) go to every site of every piece of hardware (including your computer hardware) and check for driver updates and c) optimize your system for audio. There is a system optimization guide here on the site somewhere but I used the Sweetwater guide (google Sweetwater Audio Optimization and you should find it). There is one step in the Sweetwater guide that should be avoided though. I believe it's the step on Page filing or something like that. Sonar supposedly uses that stuff so you leave it the way it is. Someone else will have to clarify that. Actually you might want to call Cake tech support just to solidify things if you still run into problems after all this. Cheers.
2012/07/15 14:49:04
daveny5
IMHO dual boot is a waste of time. Maybe you need to update your methods so you're not wasting time managing two images instead of one. 

If you select all the defaults when you install, it should install evertything you need including Guitar Rig 4. If you try to do a custom install, you need to know what you are doing. Make sure you install in all the default folders or you will have problems with that also. 

To use Guitar Rig, insert an audio track, right click the Fx bin, and select Audio Fx from the menu and then look for Guitar Rig. The first time you run Guitar Rig, you should launch the Standalone version from Windows Start-Native Instruments-Guitar Rig 4 and then select Service Center from the Help Menu. That will update you to the latest version. Then you can close that and load it in Sonar as I said before. 
2012/07/15 14:49:59
Beepster
@linear phase... I'm quite happy with my Scarlett 18i6 and it was only $300. You won't get super low latency but I seem to be pulling off around 7ms roundtrip right now. Cheers.
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