You know, there could be a good reason for the lack of patches for X2...  Maybe they are head down, tail up, working on the most solid release ever to come from the Cake Bakery?

Jlien X

vintagevibe

jscomposerPardon my ignorance, but what the hell is the big issue???? I'm a professional user, and frankly, it is a total turn off whenever I pop onto this forum. I have gained a lot of good tips here over years, but the complaining is getting to the point where it's just downright ridiculous. Are your systems to the point where Sonar has crippled your workflow? Is your system the issue? What exactly is the elusive "bug" fix that is going to magically fix your issues? And then when the next patch gets released it will be like "my system is not working now, I keep getting crashes, blah, blah, blah". I can honestly say Sonar, all the way from Cake 3.0 to X2a, has always been SOLID. It sucks there are no substantial scoring-to-picture features (which is I why I use alternate DAW's for that work), but that is not a bug, and I'm okay with that. I've also NEVER experienced issues from tech support over the years....tickets always get answered and resolved. What am I missing??

You're missing the fact that others do have real problems that need to be fixed.

I agree. I've seen a number of users who had no problem running other daws but couldn't get Sonar to work, so I'm starting to consider myself just one of the lucky ones. But I have some tickets not answered/resolved. That's a fact.

Sadly, this is true with every software.... sometimes they don't work on a particular system as cleanly or easily as others and only time and communication can bring these issues to a happy ending...
 
I have never yet built a workstation for Sonar that didn't work within reason of expectations.... and I've been using since Cakewalk For Windows 1.0 and building workstations for many people besides myself...
 
thinking about it, I've always managed to get every DAW software installed and working regardless of manufacturer...
 
Funny, but even on a Mac where the hardware variations are far smaller than on a Windows machine, I've found issues with some machines and not others... I can't count how many Mac users I've worked with over the years that had numerous problems running PT or others...
 
Keni
 

Silicon Audio
You know, there could be a good reason for the lack of patches for X2...  Maybe they are head down, tail up, working on the most solid release ever to come from the Cake Bakery?

Thanks...
 
I truly want to believe that!
 
Keni

vintagevibe

jscomposer
Pardon my ignorance, but what the hell is the big issue???? I'm a professional user, and frankly, it is a total turn off whenever I pop onto this forum. I have gained a lot of good tips here over years, but the complaining is getting to the point where it's just downright ridiculous. Are your systems to the point where Sonar has crippled your workflow? Is your system the issue? What exactly is the elusive "bug" fix that is going to magically fix your issues? And then when the next patch gets released it will be like "my system is not working now, I keep getting crashes, blah, blah, blah". I can honestly say Sonar, all the way from Cake 3.0 to X2a, has always been SOLID. It sucks there are no substantial scoring-to-picture features (which is I why I use alternate DAW's for that work), but that is not a bug, and I'm okay with that. I've also NEVER experienced issues from tech support over the years....tickets always get answered and resolved.
 
What am I missing??

You're missing the fact that others do have real problems that need to be fixed.

But that's the thing.....what are the REAL PROBLEMS? Is there a major bug that is preventing a key programming feature? Perhaps there is, but I have yet to hear about anything like that. Like Keni mentioned, there are issues with every single piece of software out there. There is never going to be a release of Sonar that is absolutely perfect, but that's what will be expected over and over again.
 
As far as tickets not getting responded to or resolved, that is unfortunate, but I personally have never had issues with Cake support for many, many years.

jscomposer

vintagevibe

jscomposer
Pardon my ignorance, but what the hell is the big issue???? I'm a professional user, and frankly, it is a total turn off whenever I pop onto this forum. I have gained a lot of good tips here over years, but the complaining is getting to the point where it's just downright ridiculous. Are your systems to the point where Sonar has crippled your workflow? Is your system the issue? What exactly is the elusive "bug" fix that is going to magically fix your issues? And then when the next patch gets released it will be like "my system is not working now, I keep getting crashes, blah, blah, blah". I can honestly say Sonar, all the way from Cake 3.0 to X2a, has always been SOLID. It sucks there are no substantial scoring-to-picture features (which is I why I use alternate DAW's for that work), but that is not a bug, and I'm okay with that. I've also NEVER experienced issues from tech support over the years....tickets always get answered and resolved.
 
What am I missing??

You're missing the fact that others do have real problems that need to be fixed.

But that's the thing.....what are the REAL PROBLEMS? Is there a major bug that is preventing a key programming feature? Perhaps there is, but I have yet to hear about anything like that. Like Keni mentioned, there are issues with every single piece of software out there. There is never going to be a release of Sonar that is absolutely perfect, but that's what will be expected over and over again.
 
As far as tickets not getting responded to or resolved, that is unfortunate, but I personally have never had issues with Cake support for many, many years.

There is not one show stopper but a lot of really annoying bugs that inhibit workflow.  If you don' have them that's great.  But that means you are in a poor position to imply that they aren't there or don't matter.  They are there and they need to be fixed.  The tired line that all software has issues is irrelevant here, especially if you are not one of the ones having problems.

Again, what are some examples of these bugs that inhibit workflow?? Just curious.

vintagevibe
There is not one show stopper but a lot of really annoying bugs that inhibit workflow.  If you don' have them that's great.  But that means you are in a poor position to imply that they aren't there or don't matter.  They are there and they need to be fixed.  The tired line that all software has issues is irrelevant here, especially if you are not one of the ones having problems.

You certainly have a point.
 
Perhaps the most important feature which X2b or X3 or X-DAW could provide would be to abstract the application a little more from the OS, so that it operates more consistently from machine to machine.
 
This is probably impractical though, as the best performance is usually attained by communicating with subsystems of the OS directly for many functions.

vintagevibe
There is not one show stopper but a lot of really annoying bugs that inhibit workflow.  If you don' have them that's great.  But that means you are in a poor position to imply that they aren't there or don't matter.  They are there and they need to be fixed.  The tired line that all software has issues is irrelevant here, especially if you are not one of the ones having problems.

But I think that's part of the problem... Accepting that no DAW is bug-free, then which specific SONAR bugs are the ones that need to be fixed?   I'd imagine CW has numbers related to how any times certain issues are reported, and are hopefully using that information to schedule fixes for future releases.   But I sometimes wonder if the "obvious" bugs often referred to here on the forums are actually not the ones that they've scheduled.    Hmmm...
 

jscomposer
Again, what are some examples of these bugs that inhibit workflow?? Just curious.

Smart tools not working as per manual (verified by support), drag and drop a track and it lands in a different spot from where you dropped it, playlist won't scroll properly, playlist hot key to turn on/off broken, more prone to crashes than any other program on my system.  Just the ones I can think of at the moment.

vintagevibe
 
There is not one show stopper but a lot of really annoying bugs that inhibit workflow.  If you don' have them that's great.  But that means you are in a poor position to imply that they aren't there or don't matter.  They are there and they need to be fixed.  The tired line that all software has issues is irrelevant here, especially if you are not one of the ones having problems.

+1. If stability issues continues with X 2b/3 I will surely abandon CW with which I have been making music with since 2004. No more official beta testing for me.