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2013/09/14 08:21:47
robert_e_bone
@equality - can you please list some of your stability issues?
 
Thanks, 
 
Bob Bone
 
2013/09/15 10:19:37
equality
Bob, it crashes now and then maybe one of five times. Very rarely BSOD though thank heavens.
It could be 32 bit plugins (I use JBridge), it could be third party VSTi:s like Kontakt or Trillian.
It should really not matter. These plugs are very common and if not tested with Sonar sufficiently before release of a new version
it's like not taking their costumers seriously. I do know you help a lot of people here and I respect that but plze don't give me that you shouldn't do this or that in order to get the system work. This should have been decently tested before and relaease of a new DAW. 
2013/09/15 11:39:01
GIM Productions
Hi Equality,i have not any single crash with Sonar and Kontakt.I have many prjs with 60\70 audio tracks,5\7 virtual intrs and all Pro channels on.I often use 10\15 third part plugs......
Sonar is the best quality DAW for me,it sounds more depth and smooth compared with other major DAW (ADAM and K&H monitoring).
My specs are very low than yours........and honestly i don't believe that Cake team haven't not tested Sonar with the most important plugs companies.
Best
2013/09/15 11:40:21
robert_e_bone
equality
Bob, it crashes now and then maybe one of five times. Very rarely BSOD though thank heavens.
It could be 32 bit plugins (I use JBridge), it could be third party VSTi:s like Kontakt or Trillian.
It should really not matter. These plugs are very common and if not tested with Sonar sufficiently before release of a new version
it's like not taking their costumers seriously. I do know you help a lot of people here and I respect that but plze don't give me that you shouldn't do this or that in order to get the system work. This should have been decently tested before and relaease of a new DAW. 


I am not going to tell you one way or another what to do or not do.
 
I WILL  indicate that there are indeed issues with some 32-bit plugins running in 64-bit Sonar.  I use some 32-bit plugins, but only myself use ones that I have tested out and found to work well with BitBridge.  (I have considered but not purchased JBridge as of yet).
 
In any of the posts I have seen where Cakewalk technical support has examined dump files and commented back on them, none of those I have seen ended up being the fault of Sonar, rather, those particular errors had been caused by improper coding of those particular 32-bit plugins, although those errors were exposed during use with 64-bit Sonar.
 
The above certainly does not prove that Sonar doesn't have any programming errors in handling 32-bit plugins, but it DOES mean that there are in fact some 32-bit plugins that are not properly following the VST 2 spec, or have coding problems otherwise.
 
I will also state that it is not Sonar's responsibility to handle errors caused by faulty plugins, as control is passed to these plugins and if THEY are in control and fail, then there isn't much Sonar can do about it.  
 
I believe that there have been cases where even though it is not Sonar's responsibility, that they HAVE on occasion put in special code to handle bad coding from some plugins, but I would certainly not expect them to build custom code for the thousands of plugins that are out there and available for inclusion in Sonar.
 
What I did for MY system is to avoid the blanket use of 32-bit plugins in my 64-bit Sonar, and I also specifically test out those 32-bit plugins that I do have interest in seeing if will work in my 64-bit install.  That seems to work for me, though it does limit the choice of plugins I use, if I choose to work with the project in 64-bit Sonar.
 
If the above works for you, and is something you choose to try, I hope that it works for you.
 
If the above is not an option you choose to or otherwise cannot implement, then I do not know of other choices then swapping out for different plugins, or for projects that require those plugins that you work with them in 32-bit Sonar, to avoid bridging issues.
 
In any case, I DO wish you every opportunity for things to work as seamlessly and stable as possible, so that you can make/produce music in an enjoyable and productive manner.
 
Good luck, 
 
Bob Bone
 
2013/09/15 12:02:16
The Maillard Reaction
 
Hi equality,
 
 You have got some great sounding music on your sound click page
 
 Well done! Nice work!
 
 best regards,
mike
2013/09/15 12:19:29
bapu
robert_e_bone
 
What I did for MY system is to avoid the blanket use of 32-bit plugins in my 64-bit Sonar, and I also specifically test out those 32-bit plugins that I do have interest in seeing if will work in my 64-bit install.  That seems to work for me, though it does limit the choice of plugins I use, if I choose to work with the project in 64-bit Sonar.
 

+2.
 
The converse is true for me in this fashion; I have installed every 64bit plug's 32bit little brother/sister in the event I need to use 32bit SONAR to get over a hump of a badly behaved 32bit plug. Fortunately for me I've yet to have to do this. Unfortunately for me it sometimes means double install of plugs/VSTi updates.
 
Lastly, I no longer acquire any "free" plugs by anybody that does not already have a reputation for quality/stability. So my list of 32bit only plugs is limited to:
 
IKMultimedia (Sampletank, Miroslav, SampleTron, SampleMoog, SonicSynth)
Drumagog
Antares AVOX Evo
IRCAM Flux
HeadCase
Bluenoise Plugings (Metal and Rock Drumkits)
Elevayta's Spaceboy
Empress Tremelo
SoundToys (Radiator & Little Radiator)
Voxengo Boogex
FerricTDS
mda_Leslie
VB3
 
The first four are highly likely to become 64bit before the end 2014 (maybe even before the year is out)
The next two are less likely to become 64bit anytime soon due to their development platform.
The rest may never become 64bit and I only keep these around for project compatibility (one day i'll replace them, but there is no rush as these all work on my system as it stands today).
 
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