Can somebody tell me the difference in math quality between these three plugins from Lexicon? I know there should be no difference between PCM and LXP, beside the number of algorithmes, but MPX?? MPX is really cheap, I saw that you can buy it online for about $ 65,-
 
And who has experience with working in X2 with (one of) these plugins?
I am talking about the 64 bit versions.

Michael Carnes is the man behind many of the classic Lexicon hardware reverb algorithms.
He now owns Exponential Audio (creates high quality reverb plugins)
http://www.exponentialaudio.com/About.php
 
I'd recommend Phoenix Verb over any of the Lexicon offerings (sounds more natural).
Auditioning with acoustic drum kit (reveals any nasty ringing/overtones in the reverb), Phoenix Verb sounds like a high-end hardware reverb.  
 

 
You might want to give Harman a call and ask them if they have anyone there who knows anything about the PCM, LXP, or MPX reverb VSTs that you can speak with.
 
I think you'll find out that it is on sale because it is a legacy product and they are just selling what they can with out regard for an ability to support it with further development or patches.
 
best regards,
mike
 
 

didap
Can somebody tell me the difference in math quality between these three plugins from Lexicon? I know there should be no difference between PCM and LXP, beside the number of algorithmes, but MPX?? MPX is really cheap, I saw that you can buy it online for about $ 65,-
 
And who has experience with working in X2 with (one of) these plugins?
I am talking about the 64 bit versions.

mike_mccue
 
You might want to give Harman a call and ask them if they have anyone there who knows anything about the PCM, LXP, or MPX reverb VSTs that you can speak with.
 
I think you'll find out that it is on sale because it is a legacy product and they are just selling what they can with out regard for an ability to support it with further development or patches.
 
best regards,
mike
 
 

didap
Can somebody tell me the difference in math quality between these three plugins from Lexicon? I know there should be no difference between PCM and LXP, beside the number of algorithmes, but MPX?? MPX is really cheap, I saw that you can buy it online for about $ 65,-
 
And who has experience with working in X2 with (one of) these plugins?
I am talking about the 64 bit versions.

OK, but that doesn't mean they are bad. For me they are outstanding quality.
I listened to exponential audio reverbs. Impressive too. I will try their/his demo version too.
I learned a lot about mastering and mixing by some SAE courses. Good teachers and they 'judge' your work in a very positive way.
 
And as of X2... I think the same about this product. New hate with X1 and X2, but a lot of old love for Cakewalk, still... With every new realease I hope they will return in their policy and show more respect to all the old users of 8.5.3 (that left now?). 

keeping in mind that there are a LOT of factors in play here (personal taste, your ears, your monitoring environment, etc)...
 
I have an LXP-1, LXP-5, and PCM-90 in my rack. There is no question, in my room, to my ears, that the PCM sounds WAY better than the LXP-1. This applies to mixes as well as solo'd tracks. However, I only have one PCM-90, so unless I am printing I have to use it sparingly, and I have no problem substituting the LXP on certain tracks. In some cases I like the LXP better... but not often<G>!


As far as plug-in reverbs go, I'd have to agree with Mike, it's darned difficult to beat the Exponential Audio plug-ins. The Aether stuff comes close, and all of them come close to the hardware... in fact I don't think you can say that any one of the three sounds better. You might say one works better on a specific project, or even track, but they are all wonderful sounding reverbs. Another one that fits with this group is the UA 224... although it is a lot more difficult to use (can you really have too many parameters?) I also liked the Relab LX480.
 
FTR, I've had the good fortune to use the hardware 480 and 300, and they sound great! I might even be tempted to say better, but that would be based on memory, and of course some bias that comes naturally from being in the same room as these revered devices<G>!
 
I also tried the demo versions of the Lexicon PCM and LXP plug-ins. I thought the LXP was remarkably similar to my hardware, I could usually tell the difference, but I could not tell you which was which - or even which I liked better, they were slightly (slightly) different, especially for the LXP-5 patches. The PCM plugin did not fare quite as well, I almost always preferred the hardware version. I did not make a big effort to match parameters exactly because, well, because I already had the hardware and wasn't going to buy the plug-in, so I don't have any faith in that evaluation.
 
I think once you get into the realm of high end reverbs it becomes as much a matter of taste, or possibly ease of use (or even included presets?). If I were to purchase a reverb plug-in today it would be one or both of the Exponential Audio plugs. If they weren't available it would probably come down to Aether vs Relab, and I can't really tell which one would win... probably come down to price<G>!

Thanks a lot for this answer Bill, I am really  greatfull for all the stuff you bring in here. The LXP was already high on my wishlist, I will compare it now to the Exponential Audio demo which I will use in my next project! For the moment the hardware way is not the way for me to go, though I understand how valuable it could be. 
 
 

Waiting for your impressions about the Exponential audio reverbs ! I 'm hesitating as well between  Lexicon and Relab, but the Exponential Audio reverb GUI seem to be easier, well-spaced and refined, and if the sound is top notch
I'm looking essentially for a vocal reverb

Hi Peter,
 
You won't be disappointed with the Exponential Audio reverbs.
They sound very natural... very smooth (no odd/metallic ringing)
 
Audition with acoustic drum kit... and set the plugin to 100% wet.
That'll instantly show the quality 

You can't have a reverb thread without somebody recommending ValhallaDSP products, so I'll get that obligatory mention out of the way: Vintage and VRoom are 50 bucks apiece and then (IMO) you're set for reverbs.

Thanks Jim for the feedback !
I invested into EWQL Spaces, and despite the fact it brings something, in a context of a whole mix, it lacks "character", it's too discreet. I have the lite version of the Tsar reverb coming from the Softube mix bundle and don't really like the tone it confers; I don't even speak about the Sonitus and Breverb reverbs, although they can be always useful for minimal tasks...
As far the IK CSR, I didn't like it at the beginning but after some applications, it appears to "embellish" correctly the solo source materials, but still lacks this "plus" (depht but also presence) that big name reverbs seem to have.