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  • Any Windows services I shouldn't disable because Sonar is dependent on them? (p.2)
2013/09/13 10:04:08
Jim Roseberry
doncolga
I haven't done any adjustments on 7 other than setting visual effects to best performance and processor scheduling to background services.



FWIW,
Aero relies on your graphics card
Setting processor scheduling to background services shows no performance gain
2013/09/13 10:58:17
bitflipper
First, just because an unnecessary process is running does not mean it's impacting your ability to record and mix music. If you're able to do everything you need to do at the required latency, then leave the O/S alone.
 
[Note: beware the widespread but illogical obsession with achieving the lowest possible latency. Low latency is really only needed for playing soft synths in real time. For mixing, editing, mastering, tracking live audio and recording MIDI from outboard sources, latency is a non-issue. If you're not tracking soft synths in real time, set the latency as high as you need and forget about it.]
 
Rather than preemptively killing processes that might affect DAW performance, and thereby risking accidentally disabling something important, it's safer to approach it from the other direction: find out what's impacting performance first and work backward from there. And by performance, I mean just one thing: the ability to use the DAW at the required latency without dropouts. Beyond that, there is no benefit to further tweaking.
 
Start with the Windows Task Manager. Look for processes that have allocated large amounts of RAM (some processes can gobble multiple gigabytes of memory) or that show high CPU usage. Then look them up and find out exactly what it is that they do. That will inform you as to whether or not they can safely be disabled. If they are a background service, stop them but don't disable them. That way, if things go horribly wrong you can just reboot.
 
For example, one of the services that SONAR (and your audio interface's driver) relies upon is Windows Audio. If you stop it, audio devices will not be recognized and you'll get no sound from any application. Less obvious are service interdependencies, services that rely on other services to run. For example, the Windows Audio service depends on the Plug And Play service, a non-obvious dependency that might seem to be a candidate for shutting down. Microsoft doesn't document such dependencies and they can change from one version of Windows to the next.
 
If you examine the Task Manager and find no processes that are hogging memory or CPU, but still have issues with dropouts, then the problem's likely something that's not reported in the task list: ISRs, DPCs, bus contention, IRQ conflicts - IOW, hardware. It may come down to using the wrong hardware (e.g. a gaming video card) or even a broken interface, but taking the problem hardware out of the picture may be as simple as stopping an unnecessary service. Topping that list would be network-related services, especially wireless network adapters.
 
I just read back what I've written and realized that my reply is largely off-topic relative to the OP's question. Oh well. I should have my morning coffee first, then babble, not the other way 'round.
2013/09/13 11:22:28
Jim Roseberry
bitflipper
[Note: beware the widespread but illogical obsession with achieving the lowest possible latency. Low latency is really only needed for playing soft synths in real time. For mixing, editing, mastering, tracking live audio and recording MIDI from outboard sources, latency is a non-issue. If you're not tracking soft synths in real time, set the latency as high as you need and forget about it.]



Hey Bit,
 
Don't forget those who want to monitor thru software.
ie:  It's nice to track thru AmpSim plugins at 1am (rather than mic'ing the Marshall).  :)
In this scenario, achieving the lowest possible latency is absolutely critical.
You're dealing with two-way (round-trip) latency...
 
With a current generation DAW, effectively monitoring thru software isn't a problem (as long as the audio interface provides low round-trip latency).
Is this an obsession?
Maybe...   ;)
But it's a nice capability to have... and there's no good reason to avoid it.
Make good choices... and you won't have to worry about limitations.
 
Even if you don't currently monitor thru software, I still recommend getting an audio interface that provides low round-trip latency.  Doesn't cost any more...
IMO, Better to have the ability and not (currently) use it... than to figure out several months later that you want/need the ability... and the only solution is to buy a different audio interface.
 
Just my two (flipped?) bits...
 
 
 
2013/09/13 12:46:18
konradh
This is interesting because when you open Task Manager, it is horrifying how much crap is running.   I am relatively technical and I don't know what half of it is.
2013/09/13 13:54:19
Bristol_Jonesey
There are 2 services which I turned off thinking they weren't needed. Both were related to audio.
 
Turns out Sonar needed both of them in order for Midi to function as normal.
 
Can't remember the name of them right now - if I get a chance later I'll have a look and see what I can find.

 
They are:
 
Windows Audio Endpoint Builder
Windows Audio [see Bitflipper's post above!]
 
Like I said, disabling these on my system prevented any Midi activity getting through fro an attached keyboard
2013/09/13 14:29:49
benjaminfrog
Thanks for all the feedback, Folks!
2013/09/15 04:43:22
Anderton
Jim Roseberry
 
In many cases, there's no solution to higher DPC latency other than to replace hardware.
ie:  Tried moving my GTX-560Ti to my new DAW... but the driver caused major DPC latency spikes.
Replaced with a 660Ti and the problem was solved.



Jim, it's always a good idea to remind people how much graphics cards and drivers influence performance. The biggest, most annoying issues I've had with Sonar were all traced to graphics cards and/or their drivers. Graphics cards are a bit of a crap shoot. Right now I have a graphics card that makes for a happy system, but I'm always nervous about doing a driver update where the main improvement is given as "Renders castles and goblins 4x faster with 'Castles of the Doom Goddess' in level 2." Until Sonar has castles and goblins, I have no idea what that "update" will actually do...
 
I'm really quite sure that a lot of stability complaints people have relate to the hardware exoskeleton that surrounds Sonar. If the stability issues were due to Sonar, then it seems logic would dictate you'd have those problems on any system running Sonar.
 
2013/09/15 05:53:58
Shambler
My philosophy is to only install the minimum on my Sonar drive, rather than disabling stuff don't install a lot of software that is going to cause an inconsistent load on the CPU.

I don't have any antivirus or spam blockers installed and I can't even open a .pdf file because adobe is not installed...if I want to go online I boot on another drive that has all the other stuff installed...and takes much longer to boot...and is less responsive etc.

Without programs like these on your system Sonar should run smoother without the CPU being pestered by auto updates or ill-timed scanning.
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