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  • Lexicon LXP or PCM? Which works better with X1b? (p.2)
2011/02/18 21:43:01
Kroneborge
Well, it sure sounded that way from this review

http://www.soundonsound.c.../lxp-native-reverb.htm

"Many of the established manufacturers of digital effects and processing hardware have been cautious about making their algorithms available in plug-in format; and even when they have made the switch, the likes of Eventide have often stuck to the high-end Pro Tools TDM protocol rather than create native VST or RTAS plug-ins. So when Lexicon launched their PCM Native Reverb bundle earlier this year, it represented a major change of policy, and one that was widely welcomed by studio owners. The classic reverb algorithms that had previously been tied to rackmounting hardware were now open to anyone who had an iLok key, a suitable plug-in host, and £1174 in the bank."



2011/02/18 21:52:56
The Maillard Reaction
This is what I read:

http://www.lexiconpro.com/static.php?id=57

Maybe it's the same math with arbitrary limitations?
2011/02/18 22:05:35
Kroneborge
Well, I know there are three more algorthins between the PCM, and LXP.   And you also get some more control with the PCM (and the presets).

But I think the algorthims are the same as in the PCM 96.   Especially since they use the same nomenclature.   And let's be honest, when you are paying $1500 for a plugin, it damm well better be the same math as in the hardware, lol.


Just so we are clear, the native versions both have the same math for sure, you just get more with the PCM.   Also, I'm 99% sure that the math is the same between the software and hardware versions.

I guess you could always call a sales person.  I'm sure they would be happy to answer your questions if you are looking at dropping $1500.
2011/02/18 22:38:49
LpMike75
Call me crazy, but I really love the included Sonitus reverb. 
2011/02/18 22:40:33
StarTekh

> Mike all joking aside I did a side by side with the lexicon 480l and the one in sonar, now i was able to come very close, but not perfect.. as for the 2 prgms your looking at seems to mee you would need both.....
EQ Type Limited Early & Late Reflections EQ
Flexible Space Modeling Room
tough call if i had to pick 1...and if this has no  Ilock..
it wont be like the 1 in PT's
2011/02/18 22:51:09
gustabo
I seem to recall an ad in some magazine recently where the PCM has dropped in price.
Can't seem to remember where though.
2011/02/19 01:11:32
n0rd
Hey Mike, do yourself a favor and get demo versions and try them out for yourself.

Another one is Relab LX480. Not sure if the 'full' version is out yet.
2011/02/19 08:09:52
ThomThom
Don't know what kind of reverb are you looking for.
I'm still looking for a "real" sounding reverb, not looking for one that is quite abstract or going in the direction of non-real spaces.
http://www.eareckon.com/ is a reverb that impressed me a lot in case of "small to medium rooms", quit real sounding to my ears.
I also looked for Wave arts plugins, Power suite 5 includes also a nice sounding master verb module and is a set of good sounding bread and butter modules, with a great interface.

I haven't seen one plugin for all reverb situations, but EAReverb  comes closest to my needs.
Or let me say, my ears are happy with it's sound.
But my GAS already took a lot of my flexibility, and I should reduce some of my plugins first.
2011/02/19 12:09:48
Jim Roseberry
Regarding Lexicon hardware units:
 
The 480L and 960L (recent model) are the most dense sounding units
The 300L was newer and more hi-fi than the 480... but not quite as dense
The PCM series was a cut-down of these units (less dense than the L series)
The LXP series was a cut-down of the PCM series (less dense than the PCM series)
 
The PCM software reverb sounds great.
That said, it doesn't have the super dense sound of the 480L/960L
As was mentioned, the Relab LX480 is (currently) the closest you'll get to the 480L in a plugin... but it's currently limited to a single Hall algorithm.
 
Lexicon reverb is known to be dense/lush.
Even though the PCM series isn't as dense/lush at their top-tier hardware... it's still luxurious sounding reverb. 
2011/02/19 12:16:20
Eotm
is it documented by Lexicon that it's the same math?

I don't know if it's documented publicly, but the algorithms are exactly the same in both, and they're the same as in the PCM96 hardware box. This is according to the guy who designed them. The LXP just gives you fewer algorithms and fewer parameters to tweak in those algorithms, while the PCM lets you adjust every parameter.  Sound-wise, the LXP sounds exactly like the PCM given the same plugin parameters.
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